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#1581 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 367 weeks ago
So does anyone think it’s a good idea for the US to use military force in Venezuela? I sure as hell don’t think so. I have no interest in creating a situation to encourage/force millions of migrants to head to the US.
If I put on my conspiracy cap, I’d say Russia and China have a keen interest in encouraging conflicts in Central America to force migration to the US. The same for encouraging African/Arab migrants to head towards Europe. You’ll notice Russia and China don’t allow millions to illegally force their way into their countries.
#1582 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 367 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:PaSnow wrote:Yeah, I figured if Barr can give his own subjective opinion, so can Pasnow.
Plus figured Id paraphrase for those at work, without much time etc.
Yup...you sure can. Especially when not once have certain people on this board ever question Barr’s credibility despite him being appointed to that position barely one month prior.
They sure have been questioning yours though. Hmmm
That awkward moment when a poster on a Guns N Roses message board faces higher credibility & procedural standards than the country's AG
Really? You face higher credibility and standards? You just admitted yesterday you’re a conspiracy theorist.
My earlier comment was your reading of Mueller’s letter. How you inject things that aren’t there, and your complete ignoring of the WaPo article that preceded all this.
Mueller’s letter stated he thought more context was needed. In a phone call, he expressed his concern was due to the way the media was representing his obstruction findings.
1.) can we assume your POV on obstruction is indicative of the media at large or the Democrats comments in the hearing today?
If we can’t, how would you define the media’s portrayal of obstruction in the days following Barr’s original summary? Again, we’re talking about the media at large.
2.) Mueller said nothing in Barr’s letter was inaccurate, and refused the opportunity to proof read it/approve it/opine.
3.) Mueller didn’t make a determination on obstruction. Something that apparently surprised the DoJ.
4.) Mueller’s lack of a recommendation and the AG’s decision not to indict don’t preclude Congress from exercising their constitutional authority to impeach.
So I’m going to do some basic logic here. Tell me what I got wrong.
PaSnow’s opinion on obstruction = media narrative, or A=B
Mueller stated he didn’t like the confusion created by the media (which based in part their coverage on Barr’s letter), or B?C.
So A?C, or PaSnow’s interpretation isn’t equal to Mueller’s concerns.
3 months ago, Mueller was the defender of our institutions. He said no collusion happened, negating 2 years of Democratic fantasies. So now the left is calling Rosenstein a stooge and compromised.
I have a hunch when Mueller testifies in a few weeks and supports his argument the DoJ lacks the evidence to prosecute (the same decision none of you expressed outrage with when Comey exonerated Clinton), he’ll be called a stooge too.
No one is attacking your credibility. I’m just saying you’re incapable of objectively looking at any piece of evidence. Again, if Mitch is cheering you on, you’re probably not on the side of informed discussion.
Edit: fuck, the forum converts an equal sign with a slash through it to a question mark
#1583 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 367 weeks ago
Ha, watching Harris attack Rosenstein is hilarious.
#1584 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 367 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:PaSnow wrote:Letter from Mueller to Barr (per Fox News): https://www.foxnews.com/politics/muelle … sia-report
I wonder who Mueller was referring to when he was talking about the media. Think he meant Fox News or the 99%?
Edit: I see you edited your own analysis. I wish I had your ability to inject an interpretation and call it fact. I guess the part where Mueller said he didn't disagree with anything Barr said failed to make it on your radar.
Yeah, I figured if Barr can give his own subjective opinion, so can Pasnow.
Plus figured Id paraphrase for those at work, without much time etc.
From the WaPo article:
"In that call, Mueller said he was concerned that media coverage of the obstruction probe was misguided and creating public misunderstandings about the office’s work, according to Justice Department officials. Mueller did not express similar concerns about the public discussion of the investigation of Russia’s election interference, the officials said. Barr has testified previously that he did not know whether Mueller supported his conclusion on obstruction.
When Barr pressed Mueller on whether he thought Barr’s memo to Congress was inaccurate, Mueller said he did not but felt that the media coverage of it was misinterpreting the investigation, officials said."
#1585 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 367 weeks ago
Letter from Mueller to Barr (per Fox News): https://www.foxnews.com/politics/muelle … sia-report
I wonder who Mueller was referring to when he was talking about the media. Think he meant Fox News or the 99%?
Edit: I see you edited your own analysis. I wish I had your ability to inject an interpretation and call it fact. I guess the part where Mueller said he didn't disagree with anything Barr said failed to make it on your radar.
#1586 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 367 weeks ago
Not able to watch it but from cnn.com seems Barr is not having a good day at testimony.
Might be because you're reading tidbits from CNN.
But I'll give you the Flagg breakdown.
Republicans making allusions to how Clinton paid a foreign government to create the Steele Dossier and the improper conduct of the Trump hostile agents who started the investigation. Barr saying he's looking into it and will release his findings.
Democrats trying to establish Obstruction of Justice and Barr repeatedly telling them their allegations aren't illegal and wouldn't meet the legal standard of beyond a reasonable doubt.
#1587 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 367 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:Most of America is better off than they were 4 years ago. This can’t be debated. Of course our economy is a house of cards that could fall at any moment.
It can't be debated? Sure it can. I WAS in the journalism industry. Nearly all my close friends lost their jobs. And of course tens of thousands of others.
See how easy that was.
Is your profession indicative of most of America? I assume his claim is valid since unemployment is down, the stock market is at a record high, and average wage is at an all time high.
Without defining the criteria to determine “better off”, it can be argued. But if we use the metric we’ve collectively used for some time, I certainly think so. We’re certainly not worse off. Mental agitation because a man on TV makes you angry isn’t a metric I’d use to define “better off”. He’ll be out of office in 21 months.
Are you friends losing their jobs because print media is dying? Corporations buying up smaller papers and putting everything in syndication? Lack of diversity in the newer news mediums? My job got outsourced to India 20 months ago. It was terrifying and embarrassing. I got another one within a month and moved on, because unemployment is low and wages are up. Is it my dream job, of course not. But it pays for the lifestyle I enjoy.
Automation is coming, and it’s going to displace everyone within 30 years for the overwhelming majority of occupations. There’s an Oxford study I’d be glad to link if anyone is interested.
But considering a foreign power isn’t presently attacking our democratic institutions while the President and his intelligence agencies do zilch, North Korea isn’t launching missiles and detonating nukes, ISIS is defeated and there’s no significant military conflict involving American forces, GDP continues to rise, bellies continue to get fuller and warmer, I’d say we’re doing better.
Now if you want to argue Trump gets zero credit for it, that’s a separate argument. But yea, we’re better off.
#1588 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 367 weeks ago
Nobody is for treating legal immigrants poorly mitch. Some people just like following the rules/laws. Dont like the rules? Change them. Wrongly accusing people of hating immigrants is just feeding them further, not guilting them into caving like you guys hoped.
Mitch isn’t capable of coherent thought or a logical argument. The guy literally can’t read.
I’m sure he has a well thought out argument of why Trump is harming illegal immigrants, what an alternative is, and what we can do to further deter more people from flooding our system. Over 100k illegals rushing the border each month cause our system is broken, is a totally manufactured crisis.
Mitch definitely has a solution that applies to the current laws his party helped pass. I’m sure he has something intelligent for us.
#1589 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 367 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:Yea, linking this post is in no way calling me a chubby maga wearing beta male, the same insult Jason has worn out for 2 years.
Doesn’t matter who I voted for in 2016 or how many times I say Trump makes me sick. Just because I’m on team Mueller means I’m a Trump apologist.
PaSnow wrote:Hi, I'm Randall Flagg. I buried my head in the corner all day & prayed everything would come out ok in pure silence. Then I turned on Fox News who said Trumps been exonerated, so I came back boasting about it even tho in reality Trump had a shit day & this report was worse than most people expected.
WTF?? Look snowflake, nowhere does that post reference fat, chubby, or weight. Go cry in your emo Vlog post to your followers.
Emo vlog? Thanks for proving my point.
“Here’s an image of a fat, doughy MAGA wearing dipshit that reminds me of Flagg.”
“How dare you say I called you fat!”
Continue your conspiracy. You obviously know more than Mueller.
You’re in good company with Mitch and Jason. Good luck.
#1590 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 367 weeks ago
Yea, linking this post is in no way calling me a chubby maga wearing beta male, the same insult Jason has worn out for 2 years.
Doesn’t matter who I voted for in 2016 or how many times I say Trump makes me sick. Just because I’m on team Mueller means I’m a Trump apologist.
Hi, I'm Randall Flagg. I buried my head in the corner all day & prayed everything would come out ok in pure silence. Then I turned on Fox News who said Trumps been exonerated, so I came back boasting about it even tho in reality Trump had a shit day & this report was worse than most people expected.
