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#151 Re: Guns N' Roses » Hardschool single coming September 24th. » 241 weeks ago

huntermc wrote:
Blackstar wrote:

I think they just got the info from the credits in the Aien cover on Spotify and youtube, which lists all 7 members of the 1999 lineup as writers (Axl, Tobias, Dizzy, Finck, Stinson, Freese, Pitman). I don't think Aien knew more than we do.

I searched for it on BMI/ASCAP, but I couldn't find it listed yet. I did find Absurd, which shows the writing credits as Hudson/McKagan/Reed/Rose, completely cutting out Pitman.

BMI/ASCAP Search Absurd

Yes, Absurd was added to the ASCAP database (also to GMR, which collects royalties for Slash and Duff) about three weeks after its release, if I remember correctly. SESAC (which collects royalties for Axl) hasn't been updated yet.

It'll probably take longer till Hard Skool is added, because based on the press release there are no other writers/royalty recipients than Axl, Slash and Duff, and none of them is on ASCAP (which is usually updated more regularly).

EDIT: Absurd credits have been discussed in this thread here (I've also compiled information on the publishing shares for each song in the GnR catalogue somewhere on the third page of the same thread):

http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.p … 19#p339319

#152 Re: Guns N' Roses » Hardschool single coming September 24th. » 242 weeks ago

Thank you, Haters Gonna Hate.

Very interesting. I think this gives credence to the theory that it's from 1996. According to Sorum, the Jackie Chan song was a song Axl had. Maybe he had written the core of it, Slash, Duff and Matt worked on it a bit before the band imploded, and then NuGnR developed it.

Also from Soulmonster at a4d and myngr:

I talked to someone close to Axl and apparently the song was never intended on the soundtrack to a Jackie Chan movie. The working title, Jackie Chan, was chosen simply because Axl was watching a Jackie Chan movie at the time.

#153 Re: Guns N' Roses » Hardschool single coming September 24th. » 242 weeks ago

Axl S wrote:

The press release only credits Axl as the writer.

What press release?

#154 Re: Guns N' Roses » Hardschool single coming September 24th. » 242 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:
Sky Dog wrote:

Billboard article said 7 writers of this song! Ludicrous

Did they name any?

I think they just got the info from the credits in the Aien cover on Spotify and youtube, which lists all 7 members of the 1999 lineup as writers (Axl, Tobias, Dizzy, Finck, Stinson, Freese, Pitman). I don't think Aien knew more than we do.

#155 Re: Guns N' Roses » Songwriting Credits » 243 weeks ago

Sky Dog wrote:

I’m pretty sure Izzy Stradlin got a substantial amount of royalties from the Illusion albums. The 1992 partnership can’t take away his songwriting credits!

Of course he did. Those shares in the partnership agreement (Axl 36,3%, Slash 33,3%, Duff 30,3%) were not about publishing (songwriting) royalties, but about other royalties/revenues (there was a separate agreement about the publishing). But he eventually got part of those other royalties, too; he mentioned that his lawyers made a deal so that he would receive royalties from the master recordings until 1997.

#156 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » 2003 killer footage of "The Project" pre Weiland » 244 weeks ago

In the quotes I know (including his book), Duff said that he became addicted to Xanax in two week time (he was taking more and more, and after two weeks he ended up taking 22 pills a day), not that he recovered after two weeks. After about two months of that, he went to a doctor who gave him tapering-down drugs and he went on with those until the end of the Contraband tour. Then, after the tour ended he went to rehab for a month.

#157 Re: Guns N' Roses » Songwriting Credits » 244 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

Maybe someone has done this before, but I searched all the GN'R catalogue (song by song and writer by writer) on ASCAP/BMI, GMR (Global Music Rights) and SESAC - since these organizations collect royalties on behalf of songwriters and their publishers, they list all the musicians who receive songwriting royalties for each song. The data there are the result of the way a band has decided to split the publishing rights/royalties between the members and may not be identical to to the writing credits in an album's liner notes - for example, a band member may not be credited as one of the writers of a particular song, but may be entitled to royalties for it.

I think publishing and royalties are split differently. Typically a band splits the former evenly, but since Axl felt he had to be paid more Steven ended up giving him 5% of his share to keep the peace. On songwriting however Axl said he received something like 40% of Appetite and probably more on the Illusions if we count the credits.

It seems in modern Guns your publishing is determined by how much you contribute to the song and loyalty to Axl, ie. Dizzy. But I still reckon the actual song writing royalties go to whoever wrote the song, so Axl gets 100% of that post on November Rain and anything else he is listed as sole writer of.

The publishing royalties are the royalties from songwriting, and there are three main types: mechanical (the royalties songwriters get from record sales), performing (the royalties songwriters get from radio play and streaming) and sync (that has to do with owning the copyright and licensing a song for use in a movie, video game, TV show, etc.). ASCAP and the other organizations collect the performing royalties, so the percentages they control are definitely about songwriting.

Then there are other royalties that are not publishing and don't have to do with songwriting, but with the master recordings (not the composition) of the songs. So in the case of a cover album, like TSI, the band gets only this type of royalties, since they didn't write the songs.

This article here explains it all in more detail:

https://soundcharts.com/blog/how-the-mu … hing-works

What Axl said was that when the time came to split the publishing for Appetite, they used a formula that calculated the percentages according to what each one contributed, and the result was 40% for him. Steven said that with that formula he would end up getting practically nothing. However, they eventually didn't split it according to the formula. Niven suggested that it would be better to split it five ways evenly. So Axl agreed to give part of his initial percentage to Steven, but probably didn't agree to completely even shares regarding Steven, so it ended up being 25% for Axl, 15% for Steven and 20% for Slash, Izzy and Duff.

And it seems that despite the credits in the liner notes of the Illusions, the resulting shares of publishing royalties for songwriting were not essentially different than the ones for Appetite and Lies, in the sense that all Axl, Slash, Izzy and Duff got near equal shares. But the way they were calculated was more complicated (Slash talks about it in his book): this time they did use a formula, calculating who wrote what (e.g. Axl's 100% on November Rain, Izzy's 100% on You Ain't The First and everything else each member wrote), then that was applied to the album as a whole (at least for the songs that didn't have outside writers), and then it was divided per song, so they ended up getting the same fixed percentages for each song. And as a result, whenever a song is played on the radio (e.g. November Rain), they all get royalties for it, although Axl is the sole writer.

Only on CD the way changed and it was more based on what each member actually contributed to each song separately. And it couldn't have been done differently, since there were many writers, most of whom were not in the band anymore when the album was released, plus there were no partners this time, but Axl was the only owner of the band. It seems that Axl reserved a fixed 50% for himself for lyrics, melodies and probably production, and his percentage increased depending on whether he had a part in writing the music. And then the rest was split between the other member(s).

The royalties from the master recordings (not the songwriting) go mostly to the record label (since it payed for the recording) and the band gets a smaller portion of them depending on the terms of the contract with the label. From the 1992 partnership agreement we know that those royalties from the Illusion albums (as well as the revenues from touring, merchandise, etc.) were split between the three then partners, Axl, Slash and Duff (Axl had 36,3%, Slash 33,3% and Duff 30,3%). The royalties from the recordings of the then "old records" (Appetite and Lies) were split evenly (20% each) between the five members of the Appetite lineup.

#158 Re: Guns N' Roses » GN'R 2021 Tour Thread » 244 weeks ago

James wrote:
Wagszilla wrote:

Time went by and it became a joke.


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What the fuck is that picture supposed to represent for Indiana?

I don't get it...

Arni's Pizza. More about Axl and Indiana than Indiana itself. From a 2002 article in the local newspaper of Lafayette:

While Guns N’ Roses hasn’t performed in Indiana since a July 1992 concert in Indianapolis, Rose, 40, has made almost annual sneak visits to Lafayette to visit family and Arni’s on Elmwood Avenue. Arni’s owner Brad Cohen said Rose’s last visit was a little over a year ago to pick up some pizzas to go. Cohen said he more often ships pizzas out to Rose’s home in Malibu, Calif. Sometimes it’s a couple pies while other times Arni’s has catered parties hosted by Axl.

“I tease people that I’m one of the few that has access to Axl’s credit card number,” Cohen said.

Just after Guns N’ Roses performed at the 1992 Indianapolis concert, Rose took a table in the Toys in the Attic Room at Arni’s with an entourage of bodyguards. A crowd of about 30 fans formed as Rose was leaving in a limousine. Rose smiled and waved at the crowd before he departed. The excitement from the strawberry-blond, headband-sporting singer’s sighting did not die down for a while.

“Weeks after his visit, we had cute little college girls come in and want to sit in the actual booth Axl sat in,” Cohen said. “They wanted to be close to his blood and sweat so to speak.”

Cohen, who owns Guns N’ Roses’ first two releases Appetite for Destruction and Lies, added that no one could remember which table he sat in and would point to any open table in the room and tell customers "That’s the one.”

“My dad (the late Arni Cohen) wasn’t a big listener of Guns N’ Roses, but we had fun with the celebrity status Arni’s got by his visits,” Cohen said. “I appreciate the fact that he’s an Arni’s fan. I respect his choice in pizza.”

Encounters with Rose

Amused Clothing manager Jay Buck recalled one memorable night in 1988 when Rose was eating dinner with family at Arni’s. Buck was only 15 working at his first job at Arni’s, but he was picked to serve Rose’s table.

"I wasn’t a big fan of Axl Rose. That’s why they sent me out there,” Buck remembered. “Everyone else would have been ‘Hey, can I have your autograph?'”

The night was even more memorable as Buck tripped over a purse, which belonged to Rose’s mother, that was sitting in the aisle. Buck was carrying a large tray full of sodas that landed all over Rose and his family. Buck said the sticky and drenched rock star wasn’t mad as he saw the guilty purse was in the way, but most of Buck’s co-workers thought he did it on purpose.

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And so they thought it would be a good idea to make Axl's favourite pizza a show poster... But then again, it's the same band that in 1993 had pizza served to them on stage in 1993.

#159 Re: Guns N' Roses » GN'R 2021 Tour Thread » 244 weeks ago

If there's really an album at the stage of pressing - or ready for pressing - it's incomprehensible why they haven't announced it. What kind of "plan" is that? They don't need to have a release date to do so. They could just say it's ready and the date is TBA, and that would be enough to create a buzz. Unless all what Fernando meant by the "vinyls" that are "being in the works" (but delayed) was just a 7'' with studio and live version of Absurd.

Regarding the Locked and Loaded box set, in their defense, I'm not sure it had much to do with the band and management. Someone form UMG said that the band was against the inclusion of all those non musical items, and comments by industry reps at the time suggested that the GN'R reissue was used by UMG as an experiment to test the market for overpriced box sets. Apparently the experiment failed.

#160 Re: Guns N' Roses » Songwriting Credits » 244 weeks ago

Absurd is, in a way, a return to the band's old M.O., which is more convenient in the current situation The credit in the "liner notes" is collectively to "Guns N' Roses", like it was on Appetite and Lies. And as far as the publishing/royalties go, they're being split similarly to the Illusions: the "main" members and partners in the band (now Axl, Slash and Duff) get a cut regardless of who wrote what. It's not really that much different than Slash and Duff getting royalties for songs written by Hollywood Rose, or for Back Off Bitch and Shadow Of Your Love that were written by Axl and Paul Tobias in 1982, or for songs written by West Arkeen and Del James.

And then the other current members (practically just Dizzy) are getting a cut depending on if and what they have contributed in the songwriting.

What remains to be seen is whether Pitman's case is indicative of a pattern that will be followed with "nu" members (or at least some of them), or it just happened that whatever Pitman contributed to the song wasn't such that would require giving him credit and a royalty share.

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