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#1611 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 536 weeks ago
And I think you're being way dishonest about Clinton's economy, SG. The .com bust happened after he left office, or the tail end, and you're leaving out he had the largest job growth since ww2 after his budget was passed and before the tech boom. Bush inherited government surplus which he squandered with his disastrous presidency.
The bust happened after he left, but it propped up his economy and bush was left to clean up the mess it created.
#1612 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 536 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:Omg, no. Just no. It's amazing how revisionist history takes over so quickly.
You know that economic indicators lag behind, right? Things were getting better before Obama took office. He's taking credit for things he had nothing to do with. Whoever is next is going to pay the price for this Healthcare disaster. You should have to have some basic understanding of how things actually work to vote. Idiots voting is hurting us all.
Sorry, you're wrong. It's not revisionism, it's reality. I'm not even an Obama supporter, but denying reality and listening to people who tell you what you want to hear only helps what you want to think, which is the main goal and why I typically stay out of these threads.
I'll tackle the easiest one. Unemployment. This number may or may not be accurate since Obama changed the rules, but let's say it is. It doesn't include those that stopped looking. It doesn't include the underemployed or those that took huge pay cuts to stay employed. So right there you can dismiss the entire picture. Numbers can be manipulated to say whatever you want them to say. Try talking to real people looking for jobs every day like I do. You'll get a much better picture of how great the economy is or isn't.
#1613 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 536 weeks ago
Omg, no. Just no. It's amazing how revisionist history takes over so quickly.
You know that economic indicators lag behind, right? Things were getting better before Obama took office. He's taking credit for things he had nothing to do with. Whoever is next is going to pay the price for this Healthcare disaster. You should have to have some basic understanding of how things actually work to vote. Idiots voting is hurting us all.
#1614 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 536 weeks ago
Someone is always going to have more than someone else. Someone is going to be more educated. Someone is going to be better. Someone is going to make more. It has to be that way. You can't give everyone free education and expect them to come out the same. You can't give free health care and expect everyone to be healthy. First off none of its actually free, and people are all different. No amount of free anything is going to change that. There will be a revolution before people accept socialism.
#1615 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 536 weeks ago
What's scary is you seem to imply that democrats can run the economy. They can't. They can spend. They can tax to cover some of their spending. Bernie's goal is to make everyone poor.
I'm not sure why you have such a hard on for someone that can't even follow simple protocols to protect national security information. How can you trust that person to do anything right?
#1616 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 536 weeks ago
I don't understand how anyone could vote for her. Forget about the rhetoric, just the things we know to be true like the email situation should give people pause. She cannot be trusted. How will having a president that can't be trusted ever work?
They all suck. They are all flawed. We're screwed.
#1617 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash's 2010 solo album » 536 weeks ago
Axl criticizing Slash's work ethic should have made it into the song Ironic. Too bad the timing wasn't quite right.
I love Slash, but most of his solo work is meh, and it's mostly due to the lyrics/singer(s). Musically there's some good stuff in there, but it's not always easy to get past the singing/lyrics to get to the good stuff. Slash should have done an instrumental. If he wasn't going to go that route, he should have had that 2010 album closer to what Santana did in making a record that was less him working with the people he wanted to work with and more about working with more contemporary/popular artists. I like the record, but it could have been more. Actually, I say that about pretty much every Slash album post GnR.
#1618 Re: Guns N' Roses » Just say no to corporate cash grabs » 537 weeks ago
I'm good with what we've got and I'm not writing off that we'll get more.
#1619 Re: Guns N' Roses » Just say no to corporate cash grabs » 537 weeks ago
Saw Izzy in Chicago at a small club in 92 or 93. It was a great show. Love that album...maybe my favorite of all the non-gnr albums from any of them.
#1620 Re: Guns N' Roses » Steven Tyler says that he has been working on the return of GN'R » 537 weeks ago
There's a thin line between love and hate.
