You are not logged in. Please register or login.

#1621 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 509 weeks ago

Yes, but as it's been pointed out several times, you're simply changing the metric to arrive at your talking points. What somebody "Feels like" is  completely irrelevant when it pertains to economic data. Likewise, this method was not applied to any President prior by the GOP, only Obama. Why is this?

And of course numbers don't tell "the entire story." Nobody has ever made the argument that they do.

#1622 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 509 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

ID really believes the unemployment rate is 4.9%.

You guys are so strange. It's like some sort of alternate universe you exist in.

Science has a "liberal bias". Economic numbers are only to believed by rubes. Polling data can't be trusted. Long form birth certificates ONLY.

On and on you all go...

#1623 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 509 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:

Some people choose to look at real life instead of manufactured numbers ID.  You should try looking around you instead of believing everything you're told.  Granted I have more insight into the job market than most, but still...anyone with 2 eyes can see how many are unemployed or underemployed.  Anyone with 2 eyes can see that many of the jobs created are shitty jobs, but hey, you keep pushing your numbers that say everything is great.

I"m sure you'd be saying the same thing if Romney was POTUS and UE was @ 5%. Right?

#1624 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 509 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Lol... You are lucky John KASICH didn't win the nomination. This would be an epic beat down. Why is it he doesn't have all the baggage Hilary does? Cause he isn't shady as fuck. And there is too much smoke for none of this Hillary stuff to be true. Be objective and realize she is a snake and we all know this. It doesn't mean she would be a "bad" president. I think she would be much better than Obama actually. Obama is likely the worst president since Jimmy Carter, but, he is a cool cat which is why most ignore his short comings. He is a great orator, good looking, funny, shoots hoops. I like everything about him except his political beliefs.

You didn't answer my question.

#1625 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 509 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

Instead, CNN, NY Times, WaPo, etc are merely only one of many voices twittering about, and fact-checking is easier to do than ever. Hillary and her media dogs spend millions on messaging, while all Donald has to do is send a tweet and his narrative is immediately absorbed. Furthermore, in terms of numbers, she has a gang of bullies on social media, while we have amassed an army. Take a look at Reddit sometime if you don’t believe me.

The media is run by extremely clever people who know what they are doing. Their onslaught against Donald will almost certainly have some scratching their heads about what is going on with the campaign, and why Donald seems, for once, to be on the defensive.

All I will say to that is, there is a plan. There is a strategy. There is a method at work here. When the enemy has you surrounded—that only means there’s no way for them to escape. We are right where we want to be in August.

http://www.returnofkings.com/93212/why- … -will-fail

What a source!

Return Of Kings is a blog for heterosexual, masculine men. It’s meant for a small but vocal collection of men in America today who believe men should be masculine and women should be feminine.

ROK aims to usher the return of the masculine man in a world where masculinity is being increasingly punished and shamed in favor of creating an androgynous and politically-correct society that allows women to assert superiority and control over men. Sadly, yesterday’s masculinity is today’s misogyny. The site intends to be a safe space on the web for those men who don’t agree with the direction that Western culture is headed. If you are new, check out our top 35 posts of all time.

Women and homosexuals are strongly discouraged from commenting here.

#1626 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 509 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:

— ”California, who you voting for?” Trump got 55%, compared to 45% for Clinton. In the latest Public Policy Institute of California poll, Clinton has a 16-point advantage over Trump, 46% to 30%.

Even though I did initially believe he could take CA if he focused on it, I find that hard to believe. He's barely campaigned here at all. Yeah people see him on TV/social media on a daily basis but this strategy of just sound bites and not actually discussing issues isn't going to work in the long run...not when it comes to specific states. You mentioned the Hitler-Goebbels strategy earlier and while it certainly works in specific situations, telling huge lies repeatedly until they become truth isn't going to win him CA, OH, FL, PA, etc. The fact that his statements are so obscene(Obama founded ISIS, have Americans tried in military courts, etc.) isn't doing him any favors. He went from "telling it like it is"(his initial appeal) to "telling it like it isn't" awfully damn quick.

He's not willing to do any real campaigning. GOing on TV calling Hillary a liar or tweeting that Ted Cruz is a loser isn't going to cut the mustard.

If he wanted to win the presidency based on sound bites, slogans, and feel good rhetoric, he should have studied the 1984 election but even then its not the same.....Reagan had the advantage of being the incumbent and insanely popular.....even among democrats.


As I suspected a couple of months back, Trump doesn't have a clue of how to run a national campaign or what he's up against with the Clinton machine. What worked in the primary wasn't going to cut it for the General. For instance in Florida Trump currently only has one field office set up. By this point in the game the GOP candidate usually has about a dozen offices in the Sunshine state. Think about how important Florida is, and he's got...one office with three months to go. In the meantime he's been focusing on states he has zero chance in, such as...Connecticut.

#1627 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 509 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Hillary is a liar that will do ANYTHING to get elected.

She is in scandal after scandal weather it be Bengazi, Emails, the Clinton Foundation, being for TPP before being against it, in bed with the shady DNC that rigged the election to her, and a huge fucking liar. That said she would be much better than Obama, but Obama is more likeable. Clinton comes off as a huge bitch. Obama seems cool, just clueless. Like he is smart and dumb at the same time.

She's been in "Scandal after scandal" and exonerated for each one over the last 30 years. Again I ask you guys, how could this be? You could this be that the same group of people who spend MILLIONS of dollars to prosecute her (Republicans) always find her innocent?

Either she's amazingly elusive, or the GOP has created a cartoon character villain to attack that simply does not exist. Just like Obama coming for your guns...never happened did it? There is a reason for all this.

#1628 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 509 weeks ago

New electoral map based on RCP polling average.

ig9m5s.png

#1629 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tim Palmer's two days on CD » 509 weeks ago

Eh, he had some valid points. To be up all night listening to some ego maniac record syllables, while the wife was home pregnant, and the lovely drive home on the 405....can't blame the guy.

I wish a book would come out about this debacle one day, that would be a great read. That interview with Brain alone was awesome.

#1630 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 509 weeks ago

Interesting and educational blog post from  fivethirtyeight.com

We’ve reached that stage of the campaign. The back-to-school commercials are on the air, and the “unskewing” of polls has begun — the quadrennial exercise in which partisans simply adjust the polls to get results more to their liking, usually with a thin sheen of math-y words to make it all sound like rigorous analysis instead of magical thinking.

If any of this sounds familiar — and if I sound a little exasperated — it’s probably because we went through this four years ago. Remember UnSkewedPolls.com? (The website is defunct, but you can view an archived picture of it here.) The main contention of that site and others like it was that the polls had too many Democratic respondents in their samples. Dean Chambers, who ran the site, regularly wrote that the polls were vastly undercounting independents and should have used a higher proportion of Republicans in their samples. But in the end, the polls underestimated President Obama’s margin.

Now the unskewers are back, again insisting that pollsters are “using” more Democrats than they should, and that the percentage of Democrats and Republicans should be equal, or that there should be more Republicans. They point to surveys like the recent one from ABC News and The Washington Post, in which 33 percent of registered voters identified as Democrats compared to 27 percent as Republicans. That poll found Hillary Clinton ahead by 8 percentage points.

But let’s say this plainly: The polls are not “skewed.” They weren’t in 2012, and they aren’t now.

The basic premise of the unskewers is wrong. Most pollsters don’t weight their results by party self-identification, which polls get by asking a question like “generally speaking, do you usually think of yourself as a….” Party identification is an attitude, not a demographic. There isn’t some national number from the government that tells us how many Democrats and Republicans there are in the country. Some states collect party registration data, but many states do not. Moreover, party registration is not the same thing as party identification. In a state like Kentucky, for example, there are a lot more registered Democrats than registered Republicans, but more voters identified as Republican in the 2014 election exit polls.

A person’s party identification can shift, and therefore the overall balance between parties does too. Democrats have typically had an advantage in self-identification — a 4 percentage point edge in 2000, a 7-point advantage in 2008 and a 6-point edge in 2012, according to exit polls — but they had no advantage in the 2004 election. Since 1952, however, almost every presidential election has featured a Democratic advantage in party identification.

And it’s not crazy to think Democrats will have an advantage in party identification in 2016. With a controversial nominee, many Republicans might not want to identify with the GOP, and may be calling themselves independents.

You should also be skeptical of other attempts to reweight pollsters’ data. One website, LongRoom, claims to “unbias” the polls using “actual state voter registration data from the Secretary of State or Election Division of each state.” The website contends that almost every public poll is biased in favor of Clinton.

Think about what that means: The website is saying that a large number of professional pollsters who make their living trying to provide accurate information — and have a good record of doing so — are all deliberately biasing the polls and aren’t correcting for it. Like many conspiracy theories, that seems implausible.

I’d also point out that election offices from different states collect different data. Some states don’t have party registration; other states don’t collect data on a person’s race; some states collect data on neither. There are some companies that try to fill in missing data for each state, though it costs a lot to get that data. Isn’t it more plausible the people who get paid to know what they are doing are right, while some anonymous website on the internet with unclear methodology is wrong?

Of course, unskewing is simply one of many ways of pretending Clinton hasn’t jumped out to a large post-convention lead against Donald Trump. You could also ask us to imagine a world without polls. You could allege, without any evidence, that outright election fraud will take place. Or you point to Trump’s rally sizes, though George McGovern in 1972, Walter Mondale in 1984 and Mitt Romney in 2012 all had large crowd sizes and lost.

People, though, should stick to reality. Right now, Clinton is leading in almost every single national poll. She leads in both our polls-plus and polls-only forecasts. That doesn’t mean she will win. The polls have been off before, but no one knows by how much beforehand, or in which direction they’ll miss. For all their imperfection, the polls are a far better indicator than the conspiracy theories made up to convince people that Trump is ahead.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the … ing-badly/

Board footer

Powered by FluxBB