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#1631 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash album reviews » 865 weeks ago
It's time to create a Slash's album VS CD thread, I think, to avoid offtopic things in the reviews thread. Thanks in advance.
#1632 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - April 4, 2010 (Praça da Apoteose) » 865 weeks ago
1- again - everyone has different wants and needs. Most want classic gnr. So what's best for you or i, isn't best for everyone.
2 - not if they are nailing the songs, which they are.
3- Calling a set list "about right" while backing it up with objective reasoning, including an admission that i would prefer a different set list couldn't be further from fan boyism. at this point you are throwing blind punches and wasting my time while doing so.
I am aware that this is a gnr forum and have been talking about gnr since i joined.
I'm not asking you to discuss Russia's arms treaty. I'm challenging you to 'Man Up and intelligently discuss the set list and accept that it is nothing more than preference and opinion rather than crying about what gnr is playing in a country you do not live in and insulting anyone who disagrees with you.
1, a different setlist is better for all concert goers, although everyone has favourites. You can't please all of them, but difference is _quality_ in this case.
2. you play guitar, as you mentioned earlier. Just tell me that you don't play a better 2-hour show if you are allowed to change the songs and order than when you are told to do the same again and again and again. Just tell me and I'll believe it.
3. I can handle different opinion very well, unlike ones who attack anyone who dares to say the setlist became boring. For even the band. Guns N' Roses is my all-time favourite band (well, not the current line-up), so I want them to live up to the fame. Reprise shows suck.
On the other hand, you say that I shouldn't 'cry' about them playing boring setlists, cause I'm not there. They became so predictable that if Axl's band happens to come to my country, then I could tell the exact order of songs. Well, I'm a 'hardcore', so I deserve it, right? But other artists I like play different shows and I can't tell which song will be the first, the second, the third, the fourth, the eleventh, etc. Cause they don't play safe game. That's what I expect from all my favourite artists. I don't care whether Britney Spears changes her shows or not. Playing the same shit is disprespect and I can't accept that from artists I like.
#1633 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - April 4, 2010 (Praça da Apoteose) » 865 weeks ago
nobody said the setlist was perfect ...
my guess is, everyone, in gnr (axl included) would rather do 20 different songs every show but are doing what works the best for the fans.
Best possible setlist for fans means the perfect setlist for me.
apparently anyone that doesn't bitch about unimportant stuff like gnr set lists in a world full of bigger issues, is a "fan boy". why do you care if the musicians like it or not? - that's on them. their job is to please the fans - not themselves. .
The performance is better if the musicians aren't bored of playing the same setlist.
Anyway, you are not aware that it's a Guns N' Roses forum, therefore minor things, like Axl Rose, Steven Adler, GN'R setlists are important topics here. So talking about how lame it is to play the same show every night is not fanboyism. Hailing it as the 'best for the fans' is fanboyism. Axl and his musicians did a great job in Asia and Canada, where they changed the setlist. I praised them for it. Now there is plenty of room for criticism.
#1634 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash on tour » 866 weeks ago
05/23 Columbus Crew Stadium
#1635 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - April 4, 2010 (Praça da Apoteose) » 866 weeks ago
my guess is, everyone, in gnr (axl included) would rather do 20 different songs every show but are doing what works the best for the fans. to me, that's the way it should be.
OMG. So this is the PERFECT setlist. That's what I call fanboyism. Any musician with an ounce of self-respect (not to mention the respect towards the fans) would be bored of playing the same shit every night. There's no challenge and no joy in that. GN'R's doing it only shows how 'ambitious' Axl is and what he thinks of the fans.
That:
#1636 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - April 4, 2010 (Praça da Apoteose) » 866 weeks ago
If you don't get it, then it's not my problem. It's a fanboy mentality to be satisfied with the idol's every move, even if he handles you like shit and only wants to get your money without too much effort. I'm not against Axl, I'm against every greedy 'star' who is playing safe game for the fans' hard-earned cash.
Mentioning Tori Amos as a disgrace in a setlist related conversation only shows how little you know about it.
Learn:
#1637 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - April 4, 2010 (Praça da Apoteose) » 866 weeks ago
Mikkamakka wrote:Dumbfuck? Please. I go to see my favourite artists, and if they play interesting and different shows, I go to see them more than once. I travelled 500 kilometers to see Tori Amos twice in a few days, cause I knew the setlist would be different. In her case, very different. But I don't travel a lot to see again a band, be it Axl Rose, Slash or Nick Cave or whoever, performing the same fuckin' setlist in the same order, with the same interludes.
Not to mention the artistic side of the repeated setlist: it's boring, it's playing safe and smells like a cash grab.
so let me get this straight, they are suppose to play a different setlist every night AND play for free?
They are supposed to play a different setlist every night, yes, at least different consecutive shows. Before you ask me: no, an A setlist for odd and a B setlist for even dates wouldn't be good enough.
Not for free, of course. I know you got what I wrote, but wanna turn it into something else. So, for you, here is a very simple example: if you (indefinite personal pronoun) fuck your girlfriend every night in the same predictable way, the same rhythm, etc., than it cannot give much pleasure for either you (indefinite personal pronoun) or her. Why are you (indefinite personal pronoun) doing this if there isn't too much pleasure? Cause you (indefinite personal pronoun) want something from her, like getting dinner, money for booze etc. (Before you'd ask me: no, I don't want Axl fuck his fans every night, and I don't care about the monotonity of it.)
Back to the topic: if a band is playing the same fuckin' show every night then it's not for their pleasure and joy, not for the fans' happiness, but for a very non-artistic reason: money. But we all know that Axl Rose doesn't care about money. (If there is plenty to spend.)
#1638 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - April 4, 2010 (Praça da Apoteose) » 866 weeks ago
Dumbfuck? Please. I go to see my favourite artists, and if they play interesting and different shows, I go to see them more than once. I travelled 500 kilometers to see Tori Amos twice in a few days, cause I knew the setlist would be different. In her case, very different. But I don't travel a lot to see again a band, be it Axl Rose, Slash or Nick Cave or whoever, performing the same fuckin' setlist in the same order, with the same interludes.
Not to mention the artistic side of the repeated setlist: it's boring, it's playing safe and smells like a cash grab.
#1639 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - April 4, 2010 (Praça da Apoteose) » 866 weeks ago
For a band that rehearsed 40 or so songs to play on this tour, the set list sure has settled hasn't it.
Is it more that Axl is taking it easy on his voice with more shows still to play?
He sings 12 shows than takes a 2 month rest. Doesn't sound impossible to me to play more (I mean different) songs. His voice cannot be that damaged. At least change the order, it's so predictable... 
#1640 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - April 4, 2010 (Praça da Apoteose) » 866 weeks ago
The setlist isn't bad at all to a one-time goer, but they're playing safe again with the same old, same old... I wonder if they can find any pleasure in doing the exact same setlist every night (now ITW was replaced by TIL). Even the song order is the same. Having any self-respect as a musician, they should be bored of it by now.
