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#1651 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 535 weeks ago

Evan McMullin, Anti-Trump Republican, Mounts Independent Presidential Bid

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/09/us/po … idate.html

#1652 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 535 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:

I watched both videos. I see absolutely nothing wrong with either one. In fact....all I see is the SS doing its job in both situations. The HIllary clip shows how incredible they were at assessing the scene and monitoring both the audience and her reaction. We cant see the audience, but something concerns Hillary, they step in immediately and tell her to basically calm down, keep talking, its taken care of, etc. Also notice the SS guard on the far right had been about to reach for his gun as his hand is pulling back when he comes into the shot. The mic actually should've been killed during the exchange between Hillary/SS but there wasn't time.

I know people on both sides will criticize both incidents but IMO there's nothing to criticize. All I see are men instantaneously reacting to a situation....which is their job.

A big 9 5 to those guys.

I agree. These guys are great at what they do.

#1653 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 535 weeks ago

This is kind of a big deal:

A Letter From G.O.P. National Security Officials Opposing Donald Trump

Dozens of the nation’s most senior Republican national security officials, many of them former top aides or cabinet members for President George W. Bush, have signed a letter saying they will not vote for Mr. Trump, the Republican nominee.

Read it here:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016 … trump.html

#1654 Re: Guns N' Roses » Better - Studio Version of 2016 Live Arrangement(fan mix) » 535 weeks ago

That new riff is fucking awesome. Imagine a new song built of something like that...wow.

#1655 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 535 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

The true battleground states have it dead even or a point or two.  He was actually ahead in Florida the last poll I saw.  All your ranting and you haven't once explained why Hillary is a better candidate or excuse all of her lies and anti-progressive positions.  Obama's brother is voting for Trump.  Does that mean anything?  FUCK NO IT DOESN'T.  I don't care what some no name congressman from nowhere, USA is supporting.  You're trying to pretend like there's some GOP exodus for Clinton, yet how many people that voted for Obama in 08 and 12 are now going for Trump.  You ignore that aspect and think because some actor or no name congressmen endorsed Clinton, it has some meaning.  Who are these "prominent" Republicans.  Did you even know who they were before MSNBC or Huff Po ran an article?

I'm not backing Trump.  I've said that 100 times here and on your forum.  But this hypocrisy you and others have when it comes to the history of lies with Clinton and all of her deception, yet all you want to focus on is the dumb shit Trump says.

Fuck Kahn.  He sacrificed shit for his country and his sons actions reflect on him no more than his father's actions reflect on him.  You guys want to prance out victims to silence any discussion on issues because you know immigration is a loser.  You're scared to death that when Hillary is forced to face her comments and actions, she won't be able to run backstage and converse with her advisers.  Maybe she can just decline to answer every question she doesn't like.

Have a fucking backbone.  Either admit you give a fuck about transparency and electing a competent person who isn't the definition of corruption, or back Jill Stein or some other 3rd party candidate.  Your constant attacks on Trump while a refusal to acknowledge any of the numerous faults of Clinton is telling.  You're a cheerleader and Clinton could advocate 18th trimester abortions and you'd still support her.


When have you seen me enthusiastically endorse Hillary? I've been arguing about data for the last several pages and that's about it.

#1656 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 535 weeks ago

This reminds me of "Unskewed polls" that also predicted "liberal bias" (what a joke) in polling data, and that Romney would most certainly win. This is what happens when you reside inside the bubble you look for confirmation bias. Fox News trotted out similar claims that most polls were off "By a 'factor' of 3-4"  and that Romney would actually win by "4." I find it interesting that this Longroom site claims to have predicted the 2004 election, but wasn't even registered until January 2008.

I'd also ask why the polling data is suddenly "skewed" when it clearly showed Trump would win the primary? It's wasn't wrong then, why is it suddenly off now? They're the same polling companies.

Here's a new liberal poll that came out today from Fox News: Hillary up 10 points over Trump. Yet another poll had her up 15 points. More importantly, a new electoral map from the University of Virginia  Center for Politics shows Hillary winning in a landslide. Colorado is also showing such strong numbers that the Hillary campaign is presently pulling TV ads out of that state.

The premise alone of Republicans being upset about our "PC culture" is hilarious. Are you unaware of your unspoken rule of those ridiculous flag pins? Yellow Ribbons? My personal favorite: Constant anger on what somebody said/or did not say? The moral outrage of anything deemed as sinful.  The hysteria towards anybody who dared question the Iraq invasion?  The overwhelming majority of what propels right wing media is PC outrage. They're the biggest drama queens ever, constantly poking and prodding until their listeners boil over in anger.

#1657 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 536 weeks ago

Neither one of you are paying attention to what is happening right now. This is not about the DNC. This is not about what the Khans may or may no believe about gay marriage. This is not about the NFL publicly stating that Trump is lying again. This is not about the GOP primaries (which polling showed conclusively that he would win btw.)

This is about Trump's campaign starting to fall apart. Trump's demagoguery is finally coming back to bite him on the ass. Prominent Republicans are beginning to endorse Hillary Clinton. They're calling Trump out for his dangerous rhetoric and will do anything they can to stop him. A new poll (from an A rated polling group) from Georgia...GEORGIA has him in a dead heat with Hillary. Trump's GOP convention made him less likable in the eyes of Americans. On and on...you're welcome to pivot to something else, but you'd only be shielding yourselves from the truth.

#1658 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 536 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

He was leading the polls last week! I know you hope to God this is over, but it's not even close to being so.

He was leading in general match up. Not state polling, which he never has, not even close. We've been through this before. General polls are meaningless, while the EV numbers do not bode well for Trump.

I don't "hope this is over" but I am able to read. Data is very bad, and Trump's mouth is even worse. His party is in full freak out mode, Republicans are jumping ship, refusing to endorse, criticizing him publicly, and many are now voting for Hillary. Even the Koch brothers want nothing to do with him. He's finally hit the tipping point.

He's doing everything he can to weasel out of the debates because he knows he's going to get his ass handed to him.

So yes. I can see that this is a man who is unwilling to take advice. Unwilling to change his behavior. A man who consults solely with...himself. So he will continue this path of destruction until he loses, spectacularly.

#1659 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 536 weeks ago

I'll stick with predictions prior. Trump is going to get his clocked clean...big time.

#1660 Re: The Garden » 2016 Presidential Election Thread » 536 weeks ago

It's been a great week for Trump!

For the first time in 30 years, a gallop poll shows that the RNC convention has left most Americans less likely to vote for a presidential nominee. Looks like it was a total bust.

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On top of that ,Nudes of Melania have surfaced. Sexy girl on girl stuff too! You deeply religious, family value Republican voters here should love these!

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http://nypost.com/2016/08/01/melania-tr … -revealed/

His despicable comments about the Kahn family may also be the beginning of his demise. If he's not smart enough to shut his trap for something like this, then he clearly doesn't have the temperament to be POTUS. At the very least, strategically, he should be wise enough not to address it. But he couldn't help himself...and here he is with various Vet groups and Republicans speaking out against him.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/ … story.html

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStor … y-41038893

Lets watch him lose the evangelicals and military constituency in one week...this is going to be fun.

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