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#1801 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 403 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:Trump is not going down for this. I just don’t see it.
I think you’re right. I don’t think most people will think paying off a whore who wants to talk about a consensual relationship is a high crime and misdemeanor.
And quite frankly this is it. The conspiracy nuts still think Russia, but they’re becoming less and less common. Mueller was tasked with investigating Russia’s influence on the election, and all they’ve got is financial fraud unrelated to the election from Manafort, and now Cohen’s plea to reduce charges to his own questionable financial behavior separate from the campaign.
I definitely understand why Trump won’t talk to Mueller. I personally find this farcical, in that Clinton’s team was granted immunity to admit they intentionally mishandled classified information, but we're supposed to pretend Trump paying off whores looking for fame because they spread their legs is the worst crime of the century.
A year in and this is what Mueller has? Nothing related to Russia and the election? If you were against Clinton being impeached for perjury, you have to be opposed to Trump - if you’re claiming not to be a partisan hack.
But the Democrats have to impeach. Pelosi will have to take the charge if she hopes to get the speakership in January. I fully expect this to be identical to Clinton. A partisan house brings articles of impeachment, and a partisan senate tells them to fuck off.
I don’t think a platform of “Trump paid a woman off not to talk about fucking him” is a winning argument for democrats.
You do know that there is another trial for Maniford right? That deals with all of the shit? You do know that right? I’m starting to think that you don’t know that. I’m starting to think that you were not informed.
And I realize you don’t know what Manafort’s second trial is about. Let me guess, you think it’s about Russia. And are unaware it’s entireky about his time working as a consultant for the President of Ukraine, who fled after Russia took Crimea. So not only is it not about Russia or the election, it’s about helping a foreign leader who was “deposed” by Russia.
#1802 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 403 weeks ago
You could argue the economy would be better without him because anyone who follows him will end the tariffs.
What happens when NAFTA and tarrifs with EU are redone? What happens if his gambit with China pays off?
#1803 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 403 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:Trump is not going down for this. I just don’t see it.
A year in and this is what Mueller has? Nothing related to Russia and the election? If you were against Clinton being impeached for perjury, you have to be opposed to Trump - if you’re claiming not to be a partisan hack.
I'll wait for the investigation to be complete to decide, but probably not based on what we've seen so far. I think his egregious flouting of the emoluments clauses is much more troubling.
Are you saying you think he’s receiving money from foreign governments or domestically?
I’ve never understood this argument. He’s not managing the Trump corporation, and did Obama refuse to accept money from his books while in office? I’m just trying to understand the actual crime here.
#1804 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 403 weeks ago
Trump is not going down for this. I just don’t see it.
I think you’re right. I don’t think most people will think paying off a whore who wants to talk about a consensual relationship is a high crime and misdemeanor.
And quite frankly this is it. The conspiracy nuts still think Russia, but they’re becoming less and less common. Mueller was tasked with investigating Russia’s influence on the election, and all they’ve got is financial fraud unrelated to the election from Manafort, and now Cohen’s plea to reduce charges to his own questionable financial behavior separate from the campaign.
I definitely understand why Trump won’t talk to Mueller. I personally find this farcical, in that Clinton’s team was granted immunity to admit they intentionally mishandled classified information, but we're supposed to pretend Trump paying off whores looking for fame because they spread their legs is the worst crime of the century.
A year in and this is what Mueller has? Nothing related to Russia and the election? If you were against Clinton being impeached for perjury, you have to be opposed to Trump - if you’re claiming not to be a partisan hack.
But the Democrats have to impeach. Pelosi will have to take the charge if she hopes to get the speakership in January. I fully expect this to be identical to Clinton. A partisan house brings articles of impeachment, and a partisan senate tells them to fuck off.
I don’t think a platform of “Trump paid a woman off not to talk about fucking him” is a winning argument for democrats.
#1805 Re: The Garden » Missing Jogger » 403 weeks ago
What?? I didn't call you a racist?! In fact my exact words were "Not that I was going to accuse you of racism, just I wondered if that was the direction this was going to take."
Definitely tragic, and the rare random suspect as opposed to an acquantance. Sad, we'll see if this murder takes on a life of its own going into election cycle. TBH I thought it would, although the Cohen & Manafort cases took over the news cycle.
Nonetheless, good thought process & forward thinking on that Flagg/Sherlock. It was 'mind blown' when I first read your theory on its outcome. Not sure if you heard that on Hannity or Coast To Coast AM, but you called this.
You accuse me of listening to Hannity and wonder why I didn’t take your claim of non-racism as legitimate. 
The only talk radio I listen to is Stern
#1806 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 403 weeks ago
BREAKING: In his guilty plea, Michael Cohen says hush money payments to women were made "at the direction" of Trump.
— The Associated Press (@AP) August 21, 2018
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This does not bode well. Cohen has plead guilty to a felony, and said Trump told him to do so. They’d have to have corroborating evidence, like the reimbursement Trump paid Cohen. But c’mon, there’s no way Trump didn’t know. The leaked tape shows Trump got involved in discussing the payment.
The question is, should Trump be impeached because he paid someone 150k? Is this worse than lying about a blow job?
Again, nothing’s been suggested about collusion. So anything other than paying a porn Star is not relevant, and is conjecture.
But Trump is now directly implicated in a felony. I expect Democrats to impeach in January, but is this enough to warrant the Republicans in the Senate voting guilty?
#1807 Re: The Garden » Missing Jogger » 403 weeks ago
Haha, PASnow tried to imply I was a racist suggesting, because he associated pig farmers with illegal immigrants, that I was also associating pigs with illegals. Turns out her murder was an .... illegal immigrant. Well done, PASnow!
#1808 Re: The Garden » Missing Jogger » 403 weeks ago
#1809 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 403 weeks ago
Is it just me, or are accusations of "racism" the new McCarthyism? Accusations of racism don't have to be proven or evidenced before the label is applied and immediately accepted by a large segment of society. I seriously can't think of a worse thing to be called in contemporary America.
Omarosa is touring the country on her "Let's call Trump a racist who wants a race war, while we forget the years of positive comments I've made and pay me lots of money" tour. Just the mere suggestion that Trump used the "N" word is sufficient for CNN, MSNBC and all the garbage, left-wing online publications to pontificate for hours. Don't get me wrong, if Trump used that word disparagingly, as in he referred to a group of black people with that word, rather than quote someone like the Papa John's guy did, he has to resign. I choose not to type that word out because I think repeatedly presenting it is explicit. You post one photoshopped celebrity as a goof, ok. You fill the forum with porn, and we have a problem. There's no law that white people have to pretend the word doesn't exist and can't use it in a proper context. Saying only people of a certain color can use a specific word, is and of itself, racist. And we're supposed to be rejecting that in all of its forms. I may consider it poor taste to use is contextually in mixed company, but I don't think it makes a person a horrible human being if they're not using it demeaningly, in private conversation; particularly one that was scrupulously recorded.
We reject racism by refusing to support leaders or public figures who espouse those kind of ideas. If Trump used that word to refer to a person or group of people, yea, he's got to go. But there's no evidence of it, and I personally believe if any dirt of Trump existed, much like the Access Hollywood tape, it would have made the circuits a long time ago. A secret that juicy, that someone "played it" for Omarosa - a fucking nobody, and someone hasn't sold it for millions? I refuse to suspend my disbelief that far. But until then we don't convict someone by weaponizing accusations of "racism" for political gain. So many news outlets want to run stories attacking Trump's honesty. And that's an absolutely fair critique. It really is. But when they give lip service to these horrible and salacious allegations with zero evidence, who the fuck are they to lecture on the truth? It gives the real Trumpkins all they need to ignore any criticism of Trump, and tells a lot of sane people that the media isn't worth listening too.
It was the same thing with the piss tape. Those that hated Trump eagerly believe in its existence. The kind of anti-intellectual gosip shit both sides accept because they want concrete proof their political opponent/enemy is truly dispicable is what really harms our political discourse. Blanketly labeling someone a racist is no different than lashing out at your enemies and calling them a communist.
#1810 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 405 weeks ago
misterID wrote:Mueller is getting embarrassed in court in the Manafort case. Jesus.
Oh, that judge had to admit today to making mistakes in the trial so far.
Not only that, but a prosecutor who had several trials with that judge stated that he always behaves like that, and didn't feel it influenced the jury. The guy appears to be a solid umpire that isn't going to let the Feds come in and inappropriately use their weight and resources to skate to a conviction. The Feds have a 90+% conviction rate. I'm not in that courtroom, but I doubt Manafort is going to walk away from that with none of the charges sticking.
