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#1881 Re: Guns N' Roses » Fernando's link to leaks? And the craziness that is gnr » 824 weeks ago

maguire22 wrote:

Answer me this - who likes Axl Rose because he gives a fuck, cares what people say about him, plays it safe, and commission sfocus groups on who can represent him?

No?

Thought not! 9 9 9

You're too right.

I hate the fact that Axl gives a fuck and cares what's being said about him in HTGTH, MyGNR and CD.com, which is why he plays it safe and commissions focus groups on who can represent him.

Mods get treated with inside status, backstage accesses, etc, and in return, they relinquish autonomy over to the Axl camp. Several news articles slide over to the unwanted category. Too critical people are banned.

Mrs Lebeis rides the gravy train and single-handedly calls many people 'undesirable' from GNR's perspective, just because they offer their $0.02 on a situation. Axl claims no responsibility over these methods, but his people are quick to throw their weight around.

It's not a healthy relationship between a band and a fanbase. Adding fuel to the fire by such draconian means only worsens the overall situation.


I wouldn't expect anything from Axl, if Axl wouldn't expect me to play nice.


Again.

Respect.

It's a two-way street.

#1882 Re: Guns N' Roses » Fernando's link to leaks? And the craziness that is gnr » 824 weeks ago

Family members of famous people tend to shy away from appearing openly as such in the Internet, because a lot of things said are obviously too close to comfort. This is connected to the banes of being famous, on which I won't go into detail at the moment.

The point is, I doubt anyone here has a problem with Axl having a close relationship to someone, who can offer him at least a fraction of the support, care and comfort he himself has occasionally admitted to have been lacking most of his life. I think we can drop that angle from the 'debatables'.

Unfortunatey, Mrs Lebeis doesn't restrict her role to singularly Axl's caretaker. She appears as his PA, and acts like his caretaker. That, right there, is a conflict of interests. One is an official representative of the man, the band and the business entity. The other is a private person, who has lived with Axl for nearly two decades. I'm sure you agree there's a bit of a difference.

When these two get mixed up, Mrs Lebeis' vitriolic comments as a private person towards those critical to Axl and the band are seen as GNR's OFFICIAL stance against their own fans, as Mrs Lebeis (again) represents GNR whenever posting on the subject under her own name. That's more than enough to get some feathers ruffled, and is an inexcusable way to handle public relations.

This is why a lot of people in the community have a problem with Mrs Lebeis.

However, in the name of equality, it must be said that the inner circle of Axl's camp and the online fanbase have been 'at war' with each other for years. It takes two to tango, but since GNR consists of the people that make most things happen (releasing albums, touring, giving updates), it's rather obvious they are expected to take the initiative, rise above those who amongst us who are simply negative for the sake of itself, and offer slight respect. And respect, as every mature person knows, is a two-way street.

Ron's recent Q&A is a good example on how little we ultimately get by. He answered his questions truthfully, acknowledging every question while admitting he's not always the right person to answer every aspect of the band. That's all well and good, and the majority of the fanbase has been positive and respectful towards Ron in return.

The other end of the spectrum is Del James' View from the Side of the Stage, written during the 2006 tour, which rather blatantly condemned those willing to criticize the way GNR does things. While Del's frustration may be understandable, his reaction was miles away from justified, let alone reasonable. In one of the more embarrassing moments of the saga, the article was removed from the GNR official site some time after publishing, after it had been noted and duly commented throughout the fanbase.

Axl's online chats were, again, a good way to handle things with the fans. His responses were broad, and many difficult subjects were addressed. However, subsequent events, as well as his more recent interviews with Billboard and Spinner have since left us unsure as to where the band currently lies, and the silent treatment is exactly what is needed to contain and diminish any goodwill Axl's appearances made.

And why do we talk about GNR? Because we care, and we'd like to be given an occasional update due to our liking of GNR; this very band and this very album. It'd be a whole lot easier for the lot of us to understand why things are happening at a certain rate (or not at all), if a bone is thrown every now and then to keep us sedated.

When we're given nothing in terms of information, and all the while expected to express support, most of us go, 'Gimme a reason or fuck off'. Ron did the good thing and gave a reason to justify supporting this band again, on which I applaud him.

It's not difficult. Just some basic interaction and respect.

#1883 Re: Guns N' Roses » Fernando's link to leaks? And the craziness that is gnr » 824 weeks ago

The problem lies in the fact that Mrs Lebeis has been very certain to point out that she represents Axl as a Personal Assistant, instead of a family member of any kind. This means, whatever public comments she chooses to make regarding Axl/GNR should be taken within that context.

Therefore, while supporting Axl, dispelling errors and explaining away certain decisions is all well and good, degradatory personal remarks aimed at fans at public forums are well beyond any hint of professionalism.

Furthermore, such statements may also be considered unethical in the sense Mrs Lebeis could be seen to abuse her position in such situations. If she cannot differentiate the stance acceptable for a Personal Assistant from that of a family member, she should study the posting policies underneath both monikers until she does.

#1884 Re: The Garden » Duke Nukem Forever, not » 824 weeks ago

For those who care, the records over at NY Superior Court list the Take Two/Apogee lawsuit as 'disposed', meaning it won't be going to trial.

Plot thickens as the Duke gains his first victory in a while. The next round will, apparently, be held in Federal Court, as mentioned under the Appearances heading.

#1885 Re: Guns N' Roses » Fernando's link to leaks? And the craziness that is gnr » 824 weeks ago

IRISH OS1R1S wrote:

I never heard of Beta or Fernando until i came here (I did'nt follow the whole CD saga) but i don't see how they can be blamed for the woes of GN'R. I mean Axl is an adult and as such is repsonsible for his own decisions. Thus the state of GN'R currently is solely at the feet of Axl and nobody else.

Beta Lebeis' stature within the GNR business entity is a well-known secret amongst those who either worked closely with the band during the CD recording process or had the connections to find out about it when investigative journalists were still interested on the album. Long story short: Beta and Axl hooked up immediately following Axl's breakup with Stephanie Seymour; Beta was the Seymour babysitter and, apparently, got to know Axl rather well, given his strong affinity towards the child. Initially, Beta was the housekeeper, personal ear to lend and shoulder to cry on.

However, things started changing within the GNR infrastructure following the UYI tour. Axl, Slash and Duff went their separate ways after an attempt to record a follow-up album in '94. Duff had health problems, Slash turned into his once-ditched, would-be Snakepit album, Gilby was fired, Axl secluded to his mansion and was likely visiting his spiritual advisor in Sedona every now and then. Progressively, things kept turning worse, leading to Axl disbanding the partnership and with a bit of legal juggling, turned everyone else in contractees.

By late 1997, Axl was alone. All he had from the UYI days were Dizzy and Beta. He'd already put Dizzy in the studio with Paul Huge, and Beta slowly grew to be a more influential character in Axl's realm; the main thing to understand here is that Axl's seclusion meant someone needed to attend to his daily matters, arrange things for him, etc. Beta was the one person Axl trusted the regulation of the majority of his interaction with the outside world. A practical decision at the time, undoubtedly, but power has a funny way with people.

By 2001, Beta had - in eight years - gone from Axl's housekeeper to his closest confidant, and as she was the one person who had regular contact with Axl, you can imagine how significant a figure she was. There was a multi-million dollar recording project, and no-one at the label, the band or the studio crew was allowed to approach Axl with the same All Access pass as Beta. This is not demonizing Beta, simply stating the facts around the situation.

Here's where it gets controversial. Beta's personal agendas or opinions regarding some other people related to the project, the band or Axl himself have never been proven one way or the other. But different parties maintain that by surrendering his public relations to one channel, Axl relinquished a part of his personal freedom of thought by sufficing to second-hand accounts. Obviously, when not meeting someone personally, rather than taking a third person's word on what's really going on, you get different results.

A certain A&R man has insinuated that Beta deliberately sabotaged his working relationship with Axl, which alone, consequently, hindered the work on CD for months if not years. When looking at the situation as a whole, I personally have to admit such a scenario is not completely far-fetched. Of course, nothing can be proven, but Mrs Lebeis' personal conduct in online conversations with the fans - reacting only to negative comments - leaves a lot to be desired and sends shivers down my spine as I wonder how such an attitude would translate into working as a middle-woman in between Axl and others.

Axl, naturally, is to blame in the sense that it's him who choose to be pampered and left into his mansion, as opposed to taking a hands-on approach to all things GNR. But as they say, when the cat is gone...

#1886 Re: Guns N' Roses » Fortus and Ferrer's New Band The Compulsions (Slams Chi Dem) » 824 weeks ago

To grace the stages in the unforeseeable future:

Guns N' Roses

Feat. Axl / DJ Ashba / Paul Huge / Bumblefoot / Tommy / Brain / Pitman / Dizzy


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#1887 Re: The Sunset Strip » James Cameron Returns » 825 weeks ago

Saw the trailer and knowing that Cameron's been shepherding this project on an on/off basis since the 90's, I was mildly interested, albeit not sinking under the excessive hype machine already churning gullible fanboys into demented drones; not taking away from those simply interested in seeing the film, as I'm referring to the lost souls who gleefully proclaim Avatar as the greatest film ever based on some screenshots, the teaser and the off-hand technical remarks Cameron and his crew have made in the course of the years.

To me, that's part of the problem: Avatar is a 'Hype' film in every common sense of the word, and it's not even out yet. This is unfortunate, as I personally wish to give the film a fair shot when I do eventually get around to seeing it (hint: might not be down for the opening weekend). To further accentuate the problem, my personal relationship to Cameron's filmography has always been a troubled one. I grew with films like The Terminator, The Abyss and, obviously, T2: Judgment Day. Never really cared for Aliens, even though friends on- and offline keep telling me there's an emotional spark buried underneath the truncated dialog of gung-ho would-be marines, whose base camp appears to be a nameless casting office in LA.

When looking at the Avatar teaser, I made the immediate mental leap: Finally, Jim, you've pulled it off. The video game antics that made T2 move so slenderly with ever-increasingly difficult 'boss' moments in every T800/John/Sarah vs T1000 scene came to an impressive climax with a Super Mario Brosian lava level as the setting for the ultimate comeuppance. If you were set to make a film in the standard arcade format - an impression further emphasized by John's penchant for the coin bandits early into the film, you certainly succeeded.

What is Avatar then, but the next level of the escapism of the video game experience? It's like World of Warcraft set against the early 90's platform - the technology has advanced in leaps and bounds, but the basic premise persists; be someone else somewhere else. The chance to assume a completely new physical outlook and thus alternate your identity to  a more heroic pattern and set out to carve yourself a brand new destiny in the outworlds is appealing to anyone who wants to cherish his/hers childish imagination and spirit of adventure, or just prefers to have a temporary lease on the banes of everyday existence. Nothing wrong with that.

However, that's what Avatar is selling, the opportunity to experience life vicariously, a life never intended for you to be led under such circumstances to begin with. An idea Cameron first goofed around with during his scripting duties of Kathryn Bigelow's Strange Days, turning it into a less mainstream appealing plot element of second-hand rape and murder. This may very well be the future hybrid of man and machine Cameron has so obsessively studied ever since The Terminator, elements of which can be found in varying degrees in most, if not even all of his films. The birth of a superior intelligence, freeing the mind from its physical constraints, creating a no-death situation in which a new body can be whenever necessary, where - obviously - nations need saving and damsels seek comfort in their distress.

Therefore, it will be very interesting to actually see the film and learn where Cameron's ultimate motivations and ethical stance in regards to the storyline eventually fall: Will he be saying the otherworldly Messiah figure (who just happened to adopt a shape familiar to the natives) is better off with them - implying our own world has simply become too dull to be considered a platform of similar ventures by its own right - or will the Messiah die, or leave from his own accord, after man has satisfied his primal fascination towards imperialism long enough and realized the next stage of evolution, which would span beyond the mere will to survive, reaching a point where one could simply 'be', as an omnipotent deity? Or will he become like the eponymous leading man in Mark Twain's A Conneticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, where the stranger from a strange land, after solving various issues through his superior technological knowledge and alternate worldview, stayed around to discover the terrible toll world finally set upon him?

I kind of doubt the last one, but I'm curious nonetheless. Props for Cameron for being honest even with the title - the logical alternative of which would've probably faced slightly more scrutiny.

That would've been "1UP".

#1888 Re: Guns N' Roses » Vince Neil: "Axl Rose Let His Fans Down" » 825 weeks ago

I stand corrected. Here's their would've-been tour.

03/25/09

Guns N' Roses has announced it's Uk 2009 Tour, but dates and venues are yet to be confirmed.

Guns N' Roses Tickets - 10 June 2009, The O2 Arena, Dublin - TBC
Guns N' Roses Tickets - 12 June 2009, Download Festival, Donington - TBC
Guns N' Roses Tickets - 14 June 2009, SECC, Glasgow - TBC
Guns N' Roses Tickets - 16 June 2009, MEN Arena, Manchester - TBC
Guns N' Roses Tickets - 17 June 2009, The LG Arena, Birmingham - TBC
Guns N' Roses Tickets - 19 June 2009, The O2 Arena, London - TBC
Guns N' Roses Tickets - 20 June 2009, The O2 Arena, London - TBC

Pre-book Guns N Roses Tickets online or call us at 0207 939 1200.

The UK tour went into presale. That's big. Venues of that capacity just don't fuck around with the ticket buyers. If it reaches that stage, it's almost there.


Rumored dates from February:

May/June 2009, Milan, Italy
20 June 2009, Kobetasonic Festival, Bilbao, Spain
26 June 2009, Stavanger, Norway
1-2 August 2009, Knebworth festival, UK

-CD.com


It's Summer 2001 all over again. hmm

#1889 Re: Guns N' Roses » Vince Neil: "Axl Rose Let His Fans Down" » 825 weeks ago

I'm simply pointing out a few things.

1) DJ running his mouth to Vince Neil (of all people) isn't exactly going to make Axl happy. This equals DJ's stock decreasing somewhat in the Rose household.

2) If Robin would be ready and willing to return to the GNR camp (of which we can't be sure), Axl could be interested in having a chat and seeing whether that'd be a good idea.

3) If Axl gets disenchanted by DJ's comments, the chance of reacquiring Robin would be all the more appealing.

Feel of the players aside, I'd respect Axl more if he would go with Robin, provided he'd actually have a chance to pick between the two.

#1890 Re: Guns N' Roses » Vince Neil: "Axl Rose Let His Fans Down" » 825 weeks ago

NIN is set to play their last shows in a while in a few weeks.Ashba can then be certain of one thing. He'll get the call, alright.

What he'll be told during that call is something he might wish to consider more than once...


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