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#181 Re: Guns N' Roses » How do you feel about CD potentially being the last GNR album? » 147 weeks ago
Nah, we need an album from this line-up – preferably with at least some of the songs written by this lineup – for closure.
#182 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 147 weeks ago
elevendayempire wrote:And then Axl made the frankly baffling decision to bring Robin back in, and proceed with a three-guitar line-up with two lead guitarists. Immediately, to the press and the wider public, you're implying that Slash was such a towering figure that you need not one but two lead guitarists to replace him. You're belittling your own hires.
This is a great point. In 2002 the stage seemed crowded and the guitarists came across as disconnected. When Bucket isn’t playing, he stands around like the Tinman waiting for oil.
He did a lot of standing around.
Had he been the only lead guitarist it would’ve allowed him to provide a lot more music and charisma.
He, er, does that anyway. Standing around being "deactivated" and then springing into life to shred is kind of the keystone of his stage persona.
#183 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Tommy Stinson appearance on Podcast » 147 weeks ago
Tommy recently appeared on a podcast called Lifers, hosted by Scott Lucas of Local H.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7hTWOK … 5EZK5YWMKg
Touches on GnR a couple of times. Mentions he recently got a text from Duff and Richard.
Always thought Duff and Tommy should go and form a band together; they could alternate bass and guitar. Get Fortus on lead (if you even need a lead guitarist in a punk band...) and you've got a pretty nifty line-up there.
#184 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 147 weeks ago
discussion....
While Bucket definitely improved a few of the songs no doubt....IRS, TWAT, Riad, and was great on If the World and Sorry....I can definitely see Polluxlm's point. The Village Sessions leak showed that the first album was ready to go without him.
They probably could have released a Bucket-less Chinese Democracy in 2000 or whatever, but I doubt it would've landed. I mean, I like Robin Finck (probably more than most) but I don't think he's a full-fledged replacement for Slash; he's just too different. A tone monster rather than a lead guitar hero in the Slash mould (though I would love to see him in a Queen/Zeppelin-style band where he's the only guitar player and his unique tone is able to shine through).
The fact that Axl seized on Buckethead when he first discovered him shows that Axl, at least, was aware of that. Buckethead was, as others have pointed out, Axl's Randy Rhoads. A guitar prodigy who could do the twiddly technical stuff (better than Slash, if we're being honest) but could also do soulful material like Mrs Beasley. A stage presence, with an iconic silhouette; it's no wonder the press seized on Buckethead as the face of "new GN'R" and kept doing so even after he'd left the band.
And then Axl made the frankly baffling decision to bring Robin back in, and proceed with a three-guitar line-up with two lead guitarists. Immediately, to the press and the wider public, you're implying that Slash was such a towering figure that you need not one but two lead guitarists to replace him. You're belittling your own hires.
Axl should've committed to a two-guitar line-up, with a lead and a rhythm player. Either Robin and Huge, and release the thing in 2000/2001, or Bucket and Huge (or Fortus) and release it in 2002/3. You could conceivably make a case for Bucket and Robin (which would've been... interesting but would still have been effectively two lead players competing with each other).
Axl's argument that "you need three guitarists to play all the parts" never held water. The older GN'R tracks worked fine live with two, and the fact that they're now playing Chinese Democracy tracks with two guitarists gives the lie to the idea that those songs ever needed three guitarists.
#185 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 147 weeks ago
IRS could have been a good first single but would be the same as TWAT….huge guitar solos by someone who wasn’t in the band anymore.
If only the band hadn't made that pissy public statement about Bucket, they might have managed to keep him on board.
Really, from a marketing perspective Axl should've done anything and everything possible to keep Bucket in the band. Lose Robin? Fine. Lose Tommy? Do it. Buckethead was the iconic figure of the Chinese Democracy era, and the only one who had a hope of displacing Slash in the public imagination.
Imagine a Bizarro-world 2006 GN'R line-up with, like, Axl, Buckethead, Fortus, Duff (who I'm pretty sure would've jumped at the chance if Tommy had been given the boot), Brain, Stinson and Dizzy. Not beyond the bounds of possibility.
#186 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 147 weeks ago
elevendayempire wrote:Shacklermyrye wrote:I can only go by what the people who heard that have claimed but the general theme was these songs were being played to gauge what could be a decent first single.
And then they decided, bafflingly, to go with Chinese Democracy but not whip up a radio edit that got rid of the minute-long ambient intro.
Yep, the song itself is a logical choice but having the intro on there for a single was not a good idea. If they were played songs that could be singles I suspect they were played Hardschool too, I love the locker leaks version but even that had too long an intro for a single tbf
They should've gone with Chinese Democracy minus the intro, or Better as the first single. A solid, catchy rocker. Then followed up with TWAT, to prove that the new band could do big November Rain style epics with guitar solos played atop a mountain as well as the old band.
The problem there, of course, was that TWAT's big outro solo was played by someone who wasn't in the band anymore. If Axl had managed to win Bucket back around, or if they'd launched the album in 2002-3 as they should have done, though...
#187 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 147 weeks ago
I can only go by what the people who heard that have claimed but the general theme was these songs were being played to gauge what could be a decent first single.
And then they decided, bafflingly, to go with Chinese Democracy but not whip up a radio edit that got rid of the minute-long ambient intro.
#188 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 147 weeks ago
Freese's isolated drums from Hardschool are insane, so is the TIL accapella
I will never understand why they swapped out the drums from the demo for the ones on the finished version. Especially when Axl cheerfully left Brain's drumming on Absurd.
#189 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 147 weeks ago
Scabbie wrote:I'm still not with you all. Are you saying hoarders have a copy of what was destined to be the follow up to CD, all tracks (incl. vocals) recorded mixed and mastered? Or just various additional songs to the first album in various states of completion that COULD have been CD2?
What I am saying is that there are alternate versions of Chinese Democracy that were circulated before the album release. These alternate versions contain different songs - at least two that weren't on the locker leaks -, mixes and tracklists.
About the follow up album I have no info whatsoever and would love to hear it or about it
Well, I'm definitely more interested in more finished 2006-vintage tracks with Robin, Bucket and Bumble. Not so bothered about the prospect of hearing Stay of Execution tracks with DJ Ashba plastered all over them.
#190 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 147 weeks ago
AI isn't there yet but it will be at some point, fan remixes take a lot more time without AI than I think they will with it. You only need to ask Evader how many hours he plunged into his version on The general. If AI speeds it up there will be more and the fanbase will be flooded.
I'm very much looking forward to being able to, for example, feed an AI the demo version of Hardschool and the released Hard Skool, and saying, "Replace the drums on the finished version with the drums from the demo." Or "Replace the vocals on This I Love with the ones from the remix, dial up the orchestra a fraction and replace the solo with Slash's live version from Orlando 2016." We're not far off being able to do that sort of thing.
discussion....