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#1891 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 411 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:

The Dems have no power here. They are fucked. That said Merrick Garland seemed like a good dude and he got fucked. But McConnel enforced the Biden rule anway. So since Trump is pres and the majority of the senate is Republican the Dems have no case.

That’s the problem...we don’t have a say in anything but trump still blames us for everything.


That's a fair point to an extent. Certainly with his claims Democrats forced his hand to separate children from their parents when caught illegally in the US.  But Democrats (like Republicans were under Obama) are united in opposition.  We know there are nut job republicans who are extreme just as we know there are/were nutjob democrats when they had the majority and voted against the ACA because it wasn't liberal enough.  For the millionth time, consistency.  If you were ok with calling Republicans obstructionist in 2010, you have to call Democrats that now.  If you were opposed to Republicans being united in opposition under Obama, you should be opposed to Democrats now.

GOP moderates can't find common ground with Dem moderates.  I know you're okay with this, you've made that clear repeatedly.  But some of us want a legislature that is able to find compromise and only resorts to filibustering in incredibly rare circumstances.  Hyper-partisanship is bad, regardless of who is in charge.

#1892 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 411 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:
bigbri wrote:

I mean, I was serious. The high court is supposed to in theory be non-political in its assessment of laws and constitutionality. If you want a far right or far left court, you don't believe in that. Merrick Garland was actually a very conservative pick. He probably would have annoyed those on the far left for decades. But we get Gorsuch, who is right of center, and now we're going to get someone pretty far right, I assume.

Merrick didn’t get a vote because Obama picked him. He coulda picked Scalia and they wouldn’t have voted on him.

A big part of what’s going on now is the ruthless political tactics those now in power once engaged in.

Interpretation of law will always be a subjective practice.

And if you recall, I and many others opposed McConnel not holding a vote. The senate was under no obligation to confirm Obama’s (or any President’s) pick, but I believe it was wrong not to hold a vote.

I’m already seeing the left advocate the next Democrat increase the court number and stack it with progressives like FDR tried to do when SCOTUS had issues with the new deal. Political gamesmanship isn’t new. I’m old enough to remember how things were handled and the accusations against Roberts and Alito. And we all know what Biden said about HW Bush and Thomas.

#1893 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 411 weeks ago

bigbri wrote:

I mean, I was serious. The high court is supposed to in theory be non-political in its assessment of laws and constitutionality. If you want a far right or far left court, you don't believe in that. Merrick Garland was actually a very conservative pick. He probably would have annoyed those on the far left for decades. But we get Gorsuch, who is right of center, and now we're going to get someone pretty far right, I assume.

He didn’t agree with Heller. I want justices that are from the framer’s intent school. Yes, that’s often labeled “conservative” but Gorsuch ruled against Trump.

I don’t want people who look at the 14th amendment and see that the authors totally meant it to apply to the children of illegal immigrants. I don’t want justices who think “hate speech” is real and not protected by the 1st amendment. I want justices interested in upholding the intent of the constitution and individual liberty, not ones interested in social policy.

#1894 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 411 weeks ago

bigbri wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

These SCOTUS rulings are certainly making me happy. And the travel ban logic doesn’t bode well if DACA makes it before the court.

Then you must be thrilled to hear of Kennedy's retirement.

I mean, I can admit it when it's clear as day. The GOP has won. The end game is always the Supreme Court. Laws can always be overturned. It is in the GOP's hands for the next few decades.

I am. I liked Kennedy, great jurist. But I’ll openly admit I want a Scalia 3.0. Sotomayor is far too radical and needs to be balanced. You’re right. SCOTUS is the end game, and this keeps the court from going far to the left for at least another decade. Ginsburg is next and I hope Trump gets to replace her too.

#1895 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 411 weeks ago

These SCOTUS rulings are certainly making me happy. And the travel ban logic doesn’t bode well if DACA makes it before the court.

#1896 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 412 weeks ago

Mitch or anyone else who thinks “fuck trump” is a way of life, should read this article:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/25/politics … index.html

#1897 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 412 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

If there was a restriction on having kids while in the US that would go a long way. In Florida you see migrant mother's with up to 8 very young kids. That's ridiculous.


I’m hoping birthright citizenship for illegals ends up before SCOTUS. There’s no court ruling that says the 14th amendment applies to people who illegally enter the United States. It was written so former slaves and their children couldn’t be denied citizenship, not a grand prize for anyone who makes it into the country. There’s actual businesses, mainly from China, that have pregnant mothers land on 2 week visas so their children are citizens and the idiots can cry about “human rights” and how wrong it would be to send baby Kim back to China where she belongs. It’s absurd.

These people need to be deported immediately because it’s clear the left isn’t willing to have an honest or intellectual discussion on the matter.  There’s mass outrage when we deport someone who’s caught years later. There’s mass outrage when we deport someone who’s caught first entering. And there’s mass outrage at every point in between. The left wants an open border and hides behind ambiguous and undefined terms like “I’m for a strong border, but these people are all refugees and America was built on immigration, so let them in.”  It’s a bogus strategy from the start, and recent events have shown how disingenuous progressives are as a collective.

Wikileaks, the left’s hero prior to the Podesta emails, reveals information on every ICE employee they can find. A congresswoman is advocating people harass DHS employees in their homes. It’s now acceptable to kick someone they dislike out of a restaurant or harass them in public.

Yet if some organization posted the information of every illegal immigrant, every media outlet would be crying Armageddon.

It’s a complete farce.

#1898 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 412 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

Trump really chickened out on immigration. What a coward. They could have easily picked up ten democrats in the senate, nearly all of the moderates are in really tight races with conservatives. Offer a pathway to citizenship to dreamers and work visas to a percentage who are working. Just pass the toughest laws you can. What a way to screw the pooch.


Yea, it’s quite clear he has no plan. I guess he thinks Pelosi is going to agree to any kind of border plan come January. This was his last chance to get anything done before congress goes MIA for the next two years. Executive orders need to stop and I can’t wait for his latest to be challenged.

#1899 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 412 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
misterID wrote:

If you're using your kid to try and get asylum by taking them on a caravan that puts them at risk for rape, murder and grave injury, that's pretty much child abuse. Mexico has a program in the South where you can stay there while seeking asylum in the us. And you apply for asylum from your home countries or anywhere along the trip to the boarder. They are claiming asylum when they get caught. And using their kids as a shield. I sympathize with the kids, though.

I agree, the problem today is our country is so partisan or 'identity politics' it's one side or the other. It's murdering & executing mexican families, or allowing them all to walk in all willy nilly and choosing whereever in America they want to live and fixing them up & their extended families with a home & food.

Why isn't there an in between?


How can there be an inbetween for illegally entering the United States and being caught shortly after?

Seriously?  What do you see as a fair solution for illiterate economic migrants that endanger their young children to illegally enter the United States?

#1900 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 412 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:

Miller is so fucking extreme. Him and sessions are way too anti immigrant. There is a better way to do this.

The better way is to change the law.  Until then, follow the law.  Giving people a free pass is what's created this problem. 

Kids get separated from parents breaking the law every day.  Where do we draw the line?  No more arresting mom or dad for dealing drugs or stealing?  Are we going to stop family services from taking kids out of bad homes?


This is an interesting observation. Particularly when you consider the living conditions of the children caught with their illegal parents. The ability for them to care for that child is none. They’re destitute.  They can’t legally gain employment. They’re non-citizens, so they don’t qualify for welfare. There is no legal way for those parents to care for their children. So because the government can’t orovide welfare to them under current law or provide them with lawful employment, I think there’s a child welfare argument to be had to justify taking their children away.

If the logic applies to the children of citizens, you at least have to consider if we care about illegal immigrant children too.

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