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#1941 Re: Guns N' Roses » DJ ASHBA: 'It's Hard For Me To Play Other People's Songs' » 530 weeks ago
Must say I find the same thing, it's much easier to play in your own style than nail someone elses.
#1942 Re: Guns N' Roses » DJ ASHBA: 'It's Hard For Me To Play Other People's Songs' » 530 weeks ago
Logic. Okay. I never, ever, ever said anything about lead guitarist. Ever. Never ever. Your point was that Axl copied Trent trying to turn GNR into NIN. I said he wasn't even the one who sought Finck out, Matt suggested him FOR THE BAND. I literally have no other way to express this VERY simple point. You, all on your own, went way out of your way to talk about his playing, look, whether Matt wanted him for lead, whatever. That is an imaginary argument you had with yourself.
No. The thread was talking about DJ. I expressed that I think even though DJ did come across as a little try-hard at times, his playing was less damaging to the reputation of the band than Robin. People see DJ and they're like "that guy wants to be slash" they saw robin and were like "my local cover band is better than this". That was my point.
It was then raised that Robin must be good because two great front me have wanted him, and I suggested that maybe Axl only wanted him because trent had earlier and Axl seemed to be on a bender to make the music more 'modern' than slash would have. You pointed out that it was actually Matt who recruited robin "for the band". Yes. However I don't think that's reallly relevant as it was Axl's choice to move Robin from the suggested Rhythm part to a lead player. And it is as a lead player that I was discussing how he was more damaging than Dj.
Hope that brings you up to speed.
#1943 Re: Guns N' Roses » DJ ASHBA: 'It's Hard For Me To Play Other People's Songs' » 530 weeks ago
Vrenna was Duff's idea, like Robin was Matt's (sorry monkey, you're arguing to argue at this point).
I'm not arguing to argue, it's just that your point is devoid of all logic.
It is on the record that Matt suggested Robin as a replacement for Gilby and Axl decided he'd be better replacing Slash.
That is absolutely not the same thing as Matt suggesting Robin be lead guitarist.
In 2006 Tommy and Richard recommended Frank for the drumming position. Had Axl decided to make Frank the lead singer would you say that was Richards idea too?
#1944 Re: Guns N' Roses » DJ ASHBA: 'It's Hard For Me To Play Other People's Songs' » 530 weeks ago
The point is if Matt was in charge of auditioning lead guitarists he would not have selected Robin because Robin is not a good enough player. Matt wanted Robin in as a rhythm player and Slash as the lead. The idea of bringing him in as a lead player instead was Axls. It's therefore silly to say that having Robin was Matt's idea - as he wanted him for an unrelated purpose.
It's really Axl's idea. Perhaps it was motivated by Robin's NiN pedigree, as the quote shows above, Axl wanted to work with trent and similar musicians with the aim of adding that kind of vibe to his own work. You can go though chinese whispers on the site and see many quotes about 'modernising' the GNR sound with the producers of tool and others. Or the quotes where Axl talks about making 3 albums and each being more progressive leading the audience away from classic GNR. Then again, maybe NiN wasn't part of it - maybe Axl's anger to slash made him look at a rhythm player and go "that guy is just as good as slash, hell, everyone is as good as slash". Who can say.
Anyway, I wasn't saying Robin has no talent. His parts of CD are reasonable, and he's good in NiN - but he simply doesn't have the quitar chops to play AFD/UYI songs in Slash's role. Attempting to have him do so is one of the major reasons the 2000-2002 band lost respect with casual fans. He was a little better by 2006. If they had used someone like Richard or like Doug Aldrich who would play the songs faithfully with a rock image - although not as "try hard" as DJ's it obviously would have gone down better.
Axl didn't - mostly because he clearly had an agenda to modernise the sound and the dream was to take GNR in a new direction, but it didn't work. The audience didn't accept it, the label didn't accept it, Axl soon lost his faith and most of the time since they've just played AFD. By the time they did drop the album it wasn't so modern after all. And they didn't even drop the stuff that's closer like silkworms. As for the live set - Each tour if gets a little closer to the way slash did it - until now they've given in and got slash back.
#1945 Re: Guns N' Roses » DJ ASHBA: 'It's Hard For Me To Play Other People's Songs' » 530 weeks ago
I hear no NIN. And Axl never said, let me go get a NIN guitarist to make my new band because l want to be just like Trent!
HP: You mention the idea of working with other musicians. If you had your choice, who would you really like to work with on a project?
AXL: Trent Reznor from Nine Inch Nails is one, and Dave Navarro from Jane’s Addiction is another guy I want to work with. I’ve talked to Trent about working with me on an industrial synth project, at least on one song, and I definitely want to work with Dave on something. I’ve always been curious what he would sound like working with Slash on something.
Source: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/arti … icleid=146
#1946 Re: Guns N' Roses » DJ ASHBA: 'It's Hard For Me To Play Other People's Songs' » 530 weeks ago
What position Matt wanted him for is moot.
It's far from moot.
My point was that Robin does not have adequate guitar chops to pull of the position of lead guitarist in a largely guitar heavy band rock band such as Guns N' Roses. Not unless you are going to vastly change the style of the band to something more like Robin plays in NiN - but as you've just said Axl never successfully did that.
So he was left playing AFD. Where he was replacing Slash who has become a guitar god and basically THE player of his generation in the rock world. In terms of guitar skill Robin is flat out under-qualified for the position and it was to the detriment of the bands reputation that he clearly struggled to pull off the classic guitar parts.
Matt recommended him for RHYTHM guitarist - a position where he could play far simpler guitar lines that would have been well within his competency.
#1947 Re: Guns N' Roses » DJ ASHBA: 'It's Hard For Me To Play Other People's Songs' » 530 weeks ago
two of the greatest front men and musical minds in rock wanted Finck in their band, so, yeah, Joe Shmo can suck a dick
yeah but one was copying the other.
No clue what this means.
Well I assumed you were referring to Axl and Trent.
Trent wanted Robin in NiN.
Axl wanted whatever trent wanted as his whole plan was to turn GNR into NiN.
Matt recommended Robin. What GNR song sounds like NIN?
Oh my God sounds like someone trying to, as does My World.
Matt recommended Robin to be the rhythm guitarist. Big Difference.
#1948 Re: Guns N' Roses » DJ ASHBA: 'It's Hard For Me To Play Other People's Songs' » 530 weeks ago
two of the greatest front men and musical minds in rock wanted Finck in their band, so, yeah, Joe Shmo can suck a dick
yeah but one was copying the other.
#1949 Re: Guns N' Roses » DJ ASHBA: 'It's Hard For Me To Play Other People's Songs' » 530 weeks ago
I hear ya.
I think though if DJ been more neutral he could have pulled it off.
Like talent wise he is no Slash or a Bucket or someone with exceptional skills. He's just average. But to me the problem wasn't so much that he looked to normal but more that he looked like a guy pretending and posing. So it wasn't a case of him looking average it was more him looking fake to me.
On a related note, or sort of related to your point about GNR's attitude.
Something I wish is that Axl and slash would stop with the constant hats/beanies/anyhead covering all the time. To me it seems insecure. Like I get it - they are old and have male pattern baldness or whatever. But the thing about Axl and Slash is they have always been cooler than other people. That coolness doesn't come from having hair it comes from not giving a fuck. Axl needs to get up their bald and be like "if you miss my hair suck my dick" and that would be 100 times cooler than rocking a cowboy hat like he's from poision suddenly.
#1950 Re: Guns N' Roses » DJ ASHBA: 'It's Hard For Me To Play Other People's Songs' » 530 weeks ago
In short DJ gets bashed for looking like he's trying to be Slash - he does dumb down the solos but the average fan can't tell.
Bucket gets bashed for the silly outfit.
And Robin gets bashed because he doesn't play the proper melodies of the solos.
The band with Richard in Robin's role from the start would have been a lot more successful with the general public I think.
