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#2071 Re: Guns N' Roses » Steven Tyler says that he has been working on the return of GN'R » 538 weeks ago
He doesn't actually take much credit, but he is surely taking advantage of the publicity. A bit cheap coming from a legend like him.
#2072 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Izzy vs. Axl - GN'R Member Elimination Series, Semi Final 2 » 538 weeks ago
Would have preferred this to be the final
I voted Izzy.
This is not a dream Will. 
#2073 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nightrain Official Site » 538 weeks ago
Neemo wrote:I think, personally, that the side projects and solo careers needed to happen...there was a lot of huge egos and personal problems back in 93 and some of them didn't get resolved even as recently as 2007
Very true, I think they all needed to prove their worth and status independently so they weren't forced to work it out within the confines of GNR. It's just a shame that Axl didn't have the balls to do it as a solo endeavor, like the rest of them.
Axl didn't want to make GN'R his "solo project". He was willing to do what became "It's 5 O' Clock Somewhere" as a GN'R album.
What he wanted was for GN'R to stay relevant, and he didn't think becoming another AC/DC was the way to go. Slash and Duff's solo careers aren't "balls", they made the music they always made. Many are disappointed with Slash not stepping out of his comfort zone. He didn't make that guitar album so many of his fans wanted him to do. At least Axl did go outside the box.
#2074 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nightrain Official Site » 538 weeks ago
polluxlm wrote:CD (single) performed better on the Hot 100 than anything from VR
By peak position, yes. But CD only charted for three weeks. Both FTP and Slither had a bit more staying power with 20 weeks each. I think that peak position was mostly due to the name recognition, and the steep drop the result of the lackluster quality of the song. But that's just my humble opinion of course and doesn't add to this discussion. The point is that in overall number of singles sold, FTP and Slither each outsold CD by quite a wide margin.
True, but coattailing applies to Duff as well. Is he the draw or is "Original GNR members with Scott Weiland" the draw? And who wrote the hits? Who made them so?
polluxlm wrote:so not sure if Duff's post UYI career is that much better than Dizzy's. CD (album) is a decent effort to be part of.
Even if peak position were a good metric, we're talking about his contribution to the single, and good ol' Dizwald doesn't have a writing credit on that.
Dizzy is not credited in the liner notes, but he is in ASCAP database. Who knows.
The argument here isn't Dizzy = Duff, but that the only real important members in GN'R are Axl and Slash. Anyone else can be replaced with little commercial effect. If we are talking song writing Izzy is much more important.
For me it would be:
Image: Axl and Slash
Music: Axl, Slash and Izzy
#2075 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Izzy vs. Axl - GN'R Member Elimination Series, Semi Final 2 » 538 weeks ago
Axl is my favorite musician of all time.
#2076 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nightrain Official Site » 538 weeks ago
You don't like CD?
#2077 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nightrain Official Site » 538 weeks ago
polluxlm wrote:By those criteria Paul Huge is critically important to GN'R per Axl's admission.
Critically important to breaking it up. I feel all 5 of the Appetite guys were important from a musical standpoint. Each of them helped GN'R stand out from every other band on the Sunset Strip. Dizzy Reed doesn't mean jack squat.
Paul had nothing to do with why Axl and Slash fell out. Not even Slash blamed it on him back in 95, he blamed it on Axl bringing in a new guy without his consent.
But he had something to do with Axl continuing the band after that.
#2078 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nightrain Official Site » 538 weeks ago
By those criteria Paul Huge is critically important to GN'R per Axl's admission.
#2079 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nightrain Official Site » 538 weeks ago
Um...I think Duff is more important than you seem to realize...his bass on SCOM for example is awesome and he for sure has his own style...take Duff's bass off of any of the older GNR songs and replace it with "any other bassist" and it would NOT sound the same...well unless you have never paid any attention to the awesome bass playing of course...
Wouldn't sound the same, but would still be hits. Duff is not integral to the success of GN'R. If we are talking song writing Izzy is far more important, and the band did fine without him back in the 90s. Most people didn't even notice.
#2080 Re: Guns N' Roses » Nightrain Official Site » 538 weeks ago
polluxlm wrote:Why is there a difference between Duff and Dizzy's contributions? How many hits have Duff written without Axl? How many have Slash?
If we're talking about hits (and not personal opinion about the songs) post UYI's, then Duff objectively has a much better record than Dizzy given his work on Contraband and to a lesser extent Libertad and IFOCS (Beggars, co-written by Duff, charted pretty damn well).
I also think you're underestimating how much of a public spokesperson Duff was for the band back in the day. Whenever Slash wasn't available, Duff would be the guy everyone went to. You don't become a beer on the Simpsons without a public image.
polluxlm wrote:If we look at song writing the common denominator appears to be Axl, with Slash playing. Everybody else is a mere contributor. If Slash had been on CD it would surely have generated some big hits, and then you are suddenly looking at the same role for Dizzy and Tobias as you do Duff in the old band.
Again, here I disagree with you, but this is more about personal taste than anything. Everyone will likely agree that neither Slash, Duff nor Axl have produced anything that comes close to what they had written together in the past (same goes for Izzy). The more of those core 4 people were included in a solo project, the higher the songwriting quality. So Axl somehow being the linchpin to GnR's songwriting prowess is bullcrap, IMHO. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: to me the best post-GNR songs are on Contraband and IFOCS. Slash's later solo albums all fall short of those two, as does Chinese.
CD (single) performed better on the Hot 100 than anything from VR, so not sure if Duff's post UYI career is that much better than Dizzy's. CD (album) is a decent effort to be part of.
I doubt a majority on these boards would agree VR wrote better tunes than GN'R these last 20 years. CD may not have been a huge hit commercially but I get the impression most fans think it was far closer to GN'R quality than anything Slash & Co ever did on their own. And whichever way you slize it, if we take GN'Rs biggest hits the only common denominator is Axl as a songwriter. I also include Slash on guitar since I believe that is important. Did Duff make a big difference either way there? I don't think so. I think NR and SCOM could be released with any other bass player and be as big hits as they were. Remove Axl and Slash and the equation changes.
His image marketability is also overrated. Bigger than Dizzy's for sure, but not significant like Axl and Slash. In the end he is a bit player like Dizzy, albeit of course more prominent than him. That doesn't make him integral.
