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#2211 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Better" starting to gain MASSIVE steam.. » 929 weeks ago
It's a joke that the timing was 'perfect' for VR and 'very bad' for Axl. That's my point. I agree that the quality of music had a little to no effect to the sales, although it goes for both those who bought it and those who didn't. The 'CD fits in more in 2001' is a weak point, since it only proves how far it is from being a timeless album. It's good, but nothing special, with some serious problems (music wise). I'm not talking about the Axl Rose factor that ruins everything all the time.
#2212 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » If VR Had Called Themselves GN'R Instead » 929 weeks ago
Just like Nu-GN'R's music is mostly robotic and dead (instead of Slash's alive and 'sexy' tunes), VR's lyrics and melodies are mostly uninspired and repetitive, unlike Nu-GN'R's, where Axl clearly sings about something (except a few songs). Do the math.
#2213 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » If VR Had Called Themselves GN'R Instead » 929 weeks ago
I think they'd be told how much 'they need Axl' all the time, just like now. Cause it's true. They'd get more bad press for continue as GN'R without Axl than they get now (although the more original members would give more legacy to them). The name and classics domindated setlist would sell their shows and albums better, and they'd have better options at record companies.
#2214 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Better" starting to gain MASSIVE steam.. » 929 weeks ago
Oh My God. In the past few years some blind Axl fans were predicting how the album will lead to a music revolution, change the world, bring world peace etc. Now that the illusion collapsed, they build another illusion in a different universe, take some time travel and say that CD would have been huge 4 years ago. No. It is what it is. Nothing earth-shattering. Nothing that would worth years of waiting. A solid, but forgettable album. No need to find excuses, it's Axl's job, let him to it.
#2215 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Better" starting to gain MASSIVE steam.. » 929 weeks ago
when vr had their success, gnr was not such a distant memory. People still wanted gnr but they had disbanded so the fans took vr instead cause it was better than nothing.
Young people today, although most of them may have heard the name gnr, don't know what they are missing.
No offense mate, but this is nonsense. Peope were eager to hear Guns N' Roses-related stuff in 2004 under the VR name, 13 years after their last album and they are uninterested in 2008, when the first album comes out under the name Guns N' Roses? Yet the 2002 NA GN'R tour failed miserably, because these fans were not so eager to hear GN'R cause it was 'too early' or what?
Fact is the world doesn't see this 'band' as Guns N' Roses and some strongly protest against Axl and his using the name with random guys. Nobody on Earth can identify himself with the post 1996 era GN'R, cause they're not saying anything, and if they do, it turns out to be a 'no comment' or bullshit. Axl Rose's favourite theme in 2008 wasn't his new album in 17 years, but still the 'Slash is vicious' messed-up break-up story.
#2216 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Better" starting to gain MASSIVE steam.. » 929 weeks ago
I agree...mostly. But thinking that Better is progressive is a bit too much for me. This album is not progressive at all. Also... if you put out an album full of ballads and you spent 14+ millions on it, you'd better have some songs that catch mainstream interest. It's not selling out. November Rain wasn't a radio friendly song, yet it made its way through the charts and everybody knows the song. BB hurt sales, yes it did, but the lack of promo, lack of Axl's interest, lack of tour, lack of a good single, lack of Slash hurt much more.
#2217 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Better" starting to gain MASSIVE steam.. » 929 weeks ago
Mikkamakka wrote:war wrote:this is true but i could just as farily say cd would do four times better than CB 4 years ago when the economy was that much better and downloading wasn't an issue.
call it a wash and it comes back to the quality of the music.
Downloading has been a major issue for years, that's why VR tried the 'anti-piracy' thing with CB, when you couldn't rip the album into mp3. (Well, comp experts could do it, but for the masses it was impossible).
I still don't get the 'economy' excuse... it's GN'R's/Axl Rose's first new release in 17 years, so anyone who is interested can have like 12 bucks for it. IF they are interested.
Experts?
All you needed was a audio ripper. Took me 10 minutes for the album, to rip, convert, and burn.
Wow... way to stop me.
Thanks for further proving my point that piracy was a major issue even 4 years ago. 
Anyone who tries to act like downloading hurts seriously only now... do you remember Napster etc.? In the last 4 years nothing happened that would have made it much worse. Peope just not interested in this version of GN'R. They still buy a lot of AC/DC and Metallica albums. They want the real thing whether it's better or not. Best Buy, no promo, no strong single etc. didn't hurt sales as much as not having Slash&Co in the band.
#2218 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Better" starting to gain MASSIVE steam.. » 929 weeks ago
this is true but i could just as farily say cd would do four times better than CB 4 years ago when the economy was that much better and downloading wasn't an issue.
call it a wash and it comes back to the quality of the music.
Downloading has been a major issue for years, that's why VR tried the 'anti-piracy' thing with CB, when you couldn't rip the album into mp3. (Well, comp experts could do it, but for the masses it was impossible).
I still don't get the 'economy' excuse... it's GN'R's/Axl Rose's first new release in 17 years, so anyone who is interested can have like 12 bucks for it. IF they are interested.
#2219 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Elimination Round 6 » 929 weeks ago
no shit - prostitute brings nothing original to the table - should be gone by now
agreed.
#2220 Re: Guns N' Roses » Metallica make offer to tour with Guns N' Roses » 929 weeks ago
No, always GN'R was the main headliner, Metallica played before them every night.
