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#2232 Re: The Garden » Americans oppose health care law despite supporting it » 746 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

I think this was a huge step forward and that's why some corporate politicians are scared. And they should be. I'm telling you right now, the face of healthcare will change.

They are terrified for one reason: Obama would have actually addressed our healthcare concerns in this country while they did not.

As time goes by and aspects of this new law help millions upon millions of Americans they will remember who, and which party, did this. More importantly they will remember who fought it every step of the way.

#2233 Re: The Garden » Americans oppose health care law despite supporting it » 746 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:
DCK wrote:

I trust my gov't with my healthcare. We're all pretty healthy here compared to you, check the numbers if you want.

Your gov't probably hasn't proven itself to be completely incompetent.

Weren't you the one who told me you "lived in reality?"

We have successful government run healthcare programs for our seniors, vets and poor people. Strange is that I don't see any old people marching in the street and protesting their Medicare. I wonder why that is? Likewise my wife chooses VA over her HMO since it provides superior care. Furthermore this is not, as you portray it, a government takeover of healthcare. Not even close.

#2234 Re: Guns N' Roses » Bumblefoot not happy? Speculating.... » 746 weeks ago

I've had pain that lasted days and I've also had pain that lasted months. In one case I knew the pain would eventually end and in the other I had no idea when it would stop. Even the short stint made me empathetic towards those who deal with chronic pain. I could not fathom how somebody could go on for years in pain and deal with it.

#2235 Re: The Garden » Gunman kills 12 in Colorado movie theater » 746 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:

Are we going to ban matches and lighters or knives?

I would prefer we banned bad analogies first.

#2236 Re: The Garden » Gunman kills 12 in Colorado movie theater » 746 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:
Cramer wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

Because it's going to happen anyway.

It just happened and the argument is that if people had been armed then a crisis could have been averted or made less severe. However the bad guy obtained the weapons legally, so can't we also conclude that we'd have a much lower chance of something like this happening with stricter gun laws?

Lax American guns laws surely didn't save lives in this case, or when Giffords was shot in Arizona (very pro gun state) either. The default answer always seems to be "If everybody had guns then..."  Why not simply explore the other side and say "If everybody did NOT have guns then...."

LOL - because that is NEVER going to happen no matter what laws you pass.  I live in this thing called reality.  It's not always good, but it is what it is.  The US will break apart before guns are banned.  Period.

You're assuming (while building a strawman) that it has to be black or white. We're talking about putting regulations in place that help prevent shit like this from happening.

The NRA apologist position seems to be "Well we can't stop ALL of these attacks from happening, so why bother?" To me that's just insane.

#2237 Re: The Garden » Gunman kills 12 in Colorado movie theater » 746 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:

Because it's going to happen anyway.

It just happened and the argument is that if people had been armed then a crisis could have been averted or made less severe. However the bad guy obtained the weapons legally, so can't we also conclude that we'd have a much lower chance of something like this happening with stricter gun laws?

Lax American guns laws surely didn't save lives in this case, or when Giffords was shot in Arizona (very pro gun state) either. The default answer always seems to be "If everybody had guns then..."  Why not simply explore the other side and say "If everybody did NOT have guns then...."

#2238 Re: The Garden » Gunman kills 12 in Colorado movie theater » 746 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:

I'll make it simple why gun laws are irrelevant: most guns used in crimes in the US are not obtained legally.

Except for this crime of course.

I'd also like to see something to back that statement up.

#2239 Re: The Garden » Gunman kills 12 in Colorado movie theater » 746 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:
DCK wrote:

Gun contol:

How many shootings like this have the USA had the past four decades.
How many shootings like this have Canada had the past four decades.

Ops.

Case closed.

if only it was that simple.  It's not, and you know it's not.  Society in the US is quite different than society in Canada.  Guns aren't the reason for that.  You can't look at situations that are different in so many ways and blame one thing for one difference.  It doesn't work that way.

Right, even more reason to have stricter gun controls in the USA as we are much different than other countries. We're obviously producing more crazies and thus a higher probability of one of them doing shit like this. The more difficult it is to obtain a weapon, then less opportunity these losers have.

#2240 Re: The Garden » Gunman kills 12 in Colorado movie theater » 746 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

I am thinking I might start carrying a gun. Had someone shot back perhaps maybe only 5 die instead of 12. Since I can control what I do and not the crazies, perhaps a gun is a good idea.

Here are highly trained men with guns, see how well they did in this incident.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-cKPe7E … e=youtu.be

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