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#2621 Re: The Sunset Strip » HBO's A Game of Thrones » 455 weeks ago
In the moment, it was a fantastic episode. Seeing those dragons finally face off against the Night King and the Others is something I've been waiting a decade to see. But that nonsense of Gendry running to Eastwatch, dispatching a raven over 1000 miles and Dany flying that 1000 miles in the span of the day is just too much. Yes, it was fantastic cinematography. But this is an intelligent series. More so than LOTR, Star Wars or any other mainstream fantasy tale. They're doing damage to the show's legacy when they do shit like this.
I'm really hoping they get their heads out of their asses for season 8. They chose to avoid the book devices that allow instant communication, like the glass candles. So they need to own that and stay within the rules of the world they created. Killing a white walker and all of the wights dying seems like a load of shit to me. And the wights in this episode were more like The Walking Dead than Game of Thrones. It's just too much fan service.
#2622 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 456 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:You claimed white nationalists were more of a threat than Jihadis. They're objectively not. Anything else you say is a diversion from your ignorance of the facts.
No, I claimed that law enforcement officials across the country saw them as more of a threat than Islamic nuts.
And you've yet to qualify that opinion from any law enforcement agency, and linked articles that objectively dismissed what you claimed they said. But if you think a study that considers a black guy shooting 9 people because he couldn't get laid as an example of white national violence, more power to you.
#2623 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 456 weeks ago
You claimed white nationalists were more of a threat than Jihadis. They're objectively not. Anything else you say is a diversion from your ignorance of the facts.
Mitch thinks no one heard of antifa 2 months ago. 3 days ago you thought more people were harmed in the name of hitler than Allah.
You should be grateful your falsely held beliefs are being corrected.
#2624 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 456 weeks ago
Ragnar wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/08/19/man-stabbe … -neo-nazi/
This is what calling everyone who doesn't group think with Sanders and Warren a "nazi" results in. But don't worry, SLC will be here soon to make up statistics because he saw a funny segment on TBS last night.
The GAO doesn't even calculate "left-wing" violence. Not even an entry for it. But some black guy is added in to stats about White Supremacy violence. I know that makes a whole lot of sense to me.
It`s mind-boggling how much shit antifa scum get away with in the States.
Antifa wasn't even a word a month ago
Your ignorance of it doesn't mean it wasn't there or talked about.
#2625 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 456 weeks ago
http://nypost.com/2017/08/19/man-stabbe … -neo-nazi/
This is what calling everyone who doesn't group think with Sanders and Warren a "nazi" results in. But don't worry, SLC will be here soon to make up statistics because he saw a funny segment on TBS last night.
The GAO doesn't even calculate "left-wing" violence. Not even an entry for it. But some black guy is added in to stats about White Supremacy violence. I know that makes a whole lot of sense to me.
#2626 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 456 weeks ago
No, Mitch. It's called having a discussion where one person blatantly provides false information, then tries to provide links that don't support what they originally claimed. This has to do with revealing the truth, in that 1.) violence in this country isn't one sided in these protest and 2.) the hysteria surrounding white supremacist is well, hysteria. More Americans have been killed for Allah since 9/11 than have been killed for Hitler.
It's about being honest and not misinformed.
#2627 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 456 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:slcpunk wrote:And it's been pointed out several times before, but law enforcement officials across this country are more concerned with right wing terror organizations than Islamic, by 2:1. They don't mention left wing outfits as a concern at this time.
But let's not let facts get in the way of right wing talking points.
Yes antifa does things I do not agree with and while BLM has legit grievances, I do not agree with their tactics either.
This isn't true. .
Actually I was wrong, it's 3:1.
“Since September 12, 2001,the number of fatalities caused by domestic violent extremists has ranged from 1 to 49 in a given year. … Fatalities resulting from attacks by far-right wing violent extremists have exceeded those caused by radical Islamist violent extremists in 10 of the 15 years, and were the same in 3 of the years since September 12, 2001.”
“Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far-right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).”
Report: http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf
Right wing extremist are a bigger threat to America than ISIS
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/righ … 22743.html
Deadly threat from far-right extremists is overshadowed by fear of Islamic terrorism
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/ana … terrorism/
Data: http://start.umd.edu/publications?combi … 5Byear%5D=
“Local law enforcement agencies see the threat of terrorism inspired by al-Qaida and like-minded terrorist organizations as less of a threat than other forms of violent extremism, principally anti-government extremism.”
"The survey of 382 law enforcement agencies, conducted with the Police Executive Research Forum with funding from the National Institute of Justice, found that 74 percent reported anti-government extremism as one of the top terrorist threats in their jurisdictions, while 39 percent listed extremism connected with al-Qaida or like-minded terrorist organizations."
So nothing you linked said law enforcement sees Nazis/white nationalist as a greater threat. And you use an article that cites figures from 2015, long before the Orlando shooting, and one that includes a black man shooting white people as "far right terrorism". So like I said a million times before, you're a Samantha Bea headline reader. You're not even willing to verify what you said, and will then change the subject.
SLC, how many people have been killed by white supremacist compared to having been killed by Muslims - the argument you put forward. Answer the fucking question, or admit you're a nut job who's too lazy to verify any headline put in front of you. This isn't cute anymore; your level of deceit and dishonesty. You're proven wrong time and time again, and you flat out lie and change the subject. Just like when I asked you to provide an article saying voting machines were hacked by Russia.
Since you support outing fascist so much, what if someone alerted your customers you're a 9/11 truther who believes lies. Would that violate your expectations if people exposed you for who you are? This isn't a threat. Just pointing out that I'm sure you don't want your business partners to know that you hold some wacky ideas, namely that Bush/Cheney orchestrated 9/11.
Just be an adult and admit you don't know what you're talking about half the time. You're worse than Mitch because he doesn't know better. You just lie.
You don't even read your own links. This is how dishonest you are.
1st Link you gave: http://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf clearly says more people have been killed by Islam than "right wing", but you just post it and say "Right wing is more dangerous"
Next, even the data about right-wing terror are a bit odd. For example, the two deadliest domestic right-wing terror attacks the GAO lists are Dylann Roof’s June 2015 Charleston church massacre and Christopher Harper-Mercer’s shooting spree at Umpqua Community College. Both men claimed nine victims, and Roof’s attack was unquestionably an act of race-motivated terror. But what about Harper-Mercer? The GAO calls him a “white supremacist,” but Harper-Mercer was a black man who hated organized religion, was frustrated that he didn’t have a girlfriend, and was fascinated by the fame of mass shooters. How is that clearly “far right” violence?
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 … -jihadists.
So they're counting a black guy a member of a white supremacist group. Sounds logical to me.
2nd Link: This is an OpEd, not a claim from a government agency. But this article was before Orlando. But I'll help you out since you didn't read it. It says 48-45 at the time (obviously different than the GAO, but we know you're not one for the deep dive. Headlines only for you.) But just a heads up, with the Orlando shooting alone, it's now 49-95 with team Jihad far in the lead.
the 3rd link is just an OpEd so I'll ignore it.
Your 4th link to "data" isn't a link. It just takes you to a page with different papers.
SO FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME, SINCE YOU LACK ANY INTELLIGENCE, NO MATTER WHICH AGENCY YOU GO TO, AS OF AUGUST 20,
2017, ISLAM HAS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THAN WHITE SUPREMACY. That should be the end of the discussion. I've debunked everything you've claimed while reading the sources you linked. But I know you'll be back to call me names. You'll flat out lie and pretend the numbers saying something that they don't.
But because you're such a dishonest person, let me remind you of what happened. You claimed that many government groups perceive White Nationalist as a greater threat than Islam. You even put in your "facts" post that it's 3:1, but nothing you provide supports that, and your own links dismiss it. You've really gone over the deep end this time. You obviously didn't read your own links and are either mentally ill or are too stupid to admit that what you believe is factually wrong, but keep calling me lying Randy.
To everyone else, just ask SLC how many people "Nazis" have killed versus those in the name of Islam in the US, after 9/11. I'm not even tossing those 3k people into the figure. Just challenge him on this point when he lashes out and his mad chihuahua go on a 2 page frenzy of tossing insults.
#2628 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 456 weeks ago
And it's been pointed out several times before, but law enforcement officials across this country are more concerned with right wing terror organizations than Islamic, by 2:1. They don't mention left wing outfits as a concern at this time.
But let's not let facts get in the way of right wing talking points.
Yes antifa does things I do not agree with and while BLM has legit grievances, I do not agree with their tactics either.
This isn't true. And as I've asked you before, how many people have been killed by white supremacists in the past 20 years compared to Islam extremist. You avoid answering it, because it debunks your narrative. Yes, under the Obama Administration some lipservice was payed to a rise in the neo nazi crowd. I've never seen one. But no one is saying neo nazism poses a greater danger, and if they are, they're ignoring the raw numbers. Sorry if you want to believe twitter messages are equal to bullets being sprayed.
#2629 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 456 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:misterID wrote:But who are wearing the masks?
The media has definitely been defending them.
You know why. If their employers found out they were breaking windows at Starbucks, they'd be fired just like the Nazis. You're exactly right. The media is telling a story here, and won't let facts get in the way.
This rally in Boston was setup to be about free speech. The protestors went out of their way to keep Nazis out. They even put out fliers early in the morning warning people of the various white power symbols, telling people to identify them and tell them to leave.
But that didn't stop thousands of leftist activist from showing up, and calling free speech advocates "Nazis" and threatening violence, ending the free speech rally. That's what happened.
But Mitch and SLC will cheer it on, because as one of them already shown, they desire violence. And will deny reality and attack anyone who doesn't play along.
Right...
I just know whose side you're on...and who you play along with and it ain't mine...
I desire violence yet which one of us owns a gun?
This is such a stupid statement. You won't condemn the leftist activist, and despite the fact you think I own a gun, have the power to inflict violence and choose not to, that you're the peaceful one.
Either you support free speech or you don't. Either you support using masked violence to only go suppress free speech, but to attack ANYONE who doesn't agree with you, or you oppose violence to suppress free speech. These "Nazis" aren't roughing up black kids in the street or rounding up Jews. They're exercising their right in a very hateful, ignorant and offensive fashion, but expressing a right none the less.
Shame anyone who stands with racism or bigotry. Shame anyone who uses violence to silence others. Shame anyone who use violence to suppress dissenting opinions.
You're all too eager to double down on the race based, identity politics that failed miserably in 2016. Anyone who calls someone or something racist, you immediately piggy back to it without a second thought. It's a quick word to dismiss an idea without explaining why you're right. That happened today. Violent leftist used threats of and actual violence to end a rally in support of the first amendment. You support that.
#2630 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 456 weeks ago
But who are wearing the masks?
The media has definitely been defending them.
You know why. If their employers found out they were breaking windows at Starbucks, they'd be fired just like the Nazis. You're exactly right. The media is telling a story here, and won't let facts get in the way.
This rally in Boston was setup to be about free speech. The protestors went out of their way to keep Nazis out. They even put out fliers early in the morning warning people of the various white power symbols, telling people to identify them and tell them to leave.
But that didn't stop thousands of leftist activist from showing up, and calling free speech advocates "Nazis" and threatening violence, ending the free speech rally. That's what happened.
But Mitch and SLC will cheer it on, because as one of them already shown, they desire violence. And will deny reality and attack anyone who doesn't play along.
