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#2631 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 456 weeks ago
I agree the car wreck guy was a 'lone wolf' in murdering. But to me, carrying a Nazi flag is a remarkably bad act. Those people in that crowd saw those flags, they knew the Nazi flag was too far, yet they didn't stop. Because they wanted to be a part of it, Nazi flags or not.
I'm with you 100%. I haven't been in a march since college, but in a hypothetical march I'm attending, the moment I see confederate flags, let alone the swastika, I'm gone.
#2632 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 456 weeks ago
or just a random idiot spraying pepper spray.
Wait, his actions must speak for all Democrats & liberals. The same way a Muslim crazy speaks for all Muslims so we must ban them all. But when it's the Nazi flag & KKK, well, some of them were nice people.
Read what you wrote. Think of the criticism you're providing, then reverse it.
I'll do it for you.
1.) 1 person drove their car into someone
2.) hundreds of people attacked each other
3.) not everyone on each side was a member of an extremist group
Do you see the problem?
#2633 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 456 weeks ago
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/newton … /594261671
Just peaceful people fighting Nazis.
#2634 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 456 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:They tore it down after it was discovered his wife ran a child sex ring out of a pizza shop in Virginia.
I agree, the claims of Clinton's sex shop, her husbands rapes and Trump's sexual assaults are all horseshit. But some people, members of this forum even, echoed them and still do.
So what is the objective criteria?
When do we start removing statues of Democrats who opposed civil rights? A lot of buildings are named after Robert Byrd where I grew up.
John F Kennedy didn't support trans rights. So how long until he is a tyrant?
#2635 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 456 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:PaSnow wrote:The same can be said on both sides, heck Trump even missed the mark. It's not just that he was a slave owner, the guy went to war AGAINST America. War. He declared war!! Hundreds of thousands of people died as a result of that war. Lee was going to be tried for treason, yes treason. In the 1940s-50s we executed the Rosenbergs for treason in the 1950s, and here we are maintaining a statue for the guy? Yet Trump somehow wasn't informed of this part of the guys story.
This may be a foreign concept to you, but Lee, above all else, represents honor, duty and patriotism. A general who didn't believe in the war, but out of loyalty to his state, he led their battle. I'm tired of this 21st century view of 19th century behavior. Lee was loyal to Virginia, as everyone was loyal to their state in that era. I know that concept is lost on most people in 2017, but States and their identity meant something. It's why we have the electoral college. Slavery wasn't illegal in 1861. Lincoln wasn't interested in making it illegal in 1861.
The rosenbergs committed treason by supplying information to the soviet union for personal gain. Lee led an Army, didn't hide behind the scenes, and stood behind his state. Like I said, next week you'll want the statues of Washington and Jefferson taking down. When can we start destroying statues of Roosevelt for the Japanese Internment? We need to destroy monuments to Jackson, since he massacred thousands of Native Americans. MLK was an adulterer, and as progressives have taught us, rape now means cheating on your wife. So when can we remove a rapists name from every street in a black neighborhood? Obama and Hillary were anti gay marriage. Can we destroy pictures of them? This is such a stupid line of thought from people who are so bored with their first world problems, they need to remove fucking statues to feel like their lives have meaning.
The idea that a bunch of losers who have done nothing but consume and have contributed nothing to the country are in any position to judge the actions of men who changed history and gave it all for their country is incredibly offensive to me.
So declaring war against America is patriotic? Great, I"m glad to know if Barack Obama formed a new Republic, and fought against the military representing the Trump regime, and if he lost the war, 150 years from now you & all the Nazi flag carriers & KKK marchers would support him having his own statue, for being a 'Patriot' to his country at the time.
Interesting analogy, http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic … -1.3420013 since Lee did alot of good things before the Civil War, I'm sure plenty of SS soldiers probably had some good German military & political backgrounds within them. There were probably some 'good people in there, mixed with some bad ones'. Lets give them statues. And maybe the NCAA should name the Defensive Coach of the Year award the Jerry Sandusky award. After all, he was a good defensive coach in his time.
So I'll ask again, when should we start tearing down the statue of anyone who doesn't meet 2017 standards?
#2636 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 456 weeks ago
#2637 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 456 weeks ago
James Lofton wrote:But then they go and fuck it up by crying about bronze statues and giving a platform to idiots whose lives are so meaningless, they need to cry about some General who died 150 years ago.
They don't even know who they are crying about. Put a gun to the head of every person outraged by that damn statue and I guarantee 90% of them don't even know who the fuck he is.
The same can be said on both sides, heck Trump even missed the mark. It's not just that he was a slave owner, the guy went to war AGAINST America. War. He declared war!! Hundreds of thousands of people died as a result of that war. Lee was going to be tried for treason, yes treason. In the 1940s-50s we executed the Rosenbergs for treason in the 1950s, and here we are maintaining a statue for the guy? Yet Trump somehow wasn't informed of this part of the guys story.
This may be a foreign concept to you, but Lee, above all else, represents honor, duty and patriotism. A general who didn't believe in the war, but out of loyalty to his state, he led their battle. I'm tired of this 21st century view of 19th century behavior. Lee was loyal to Virginia, as everyone was loyal to their state in that era. I know that concept is lost on most people in 2017, but States and their identity meant something. It's why we have the electoral college. Slavery wasn't illegal in 1861. Lincoln wasn't interested in making it illegal in 1861.
The rosenbergs committed treason by supplying information to the soviet union for personal gain. Lee led an Army, didn't hide behind the scenes, and stood behind his state. Like I said, next week you'll want the statues of Washington and Jefferson taking down. When can we start destroying statues of Roosevelt for the Japanese Internment? We need to destroy monuments to Jackson, since he massacred thousands of Native Americans. MLK was an adulterer, and as progressives have taught us, rape now means cheating on your wife. So when can we remove a rapists name from every street in a black neighborhood? Obama and Hillary were anti gay marriage. Can we destroy pictures of them? This is such a stupid line of thought from people who are so bored with their first world problems, they need to remove fucking statues to feel like their lives have meaning.
The idea that a bunch of losers who have done nothing but consume and have contributed nothing to the country are in any position to judge the actions of men who changed history and gave it all for their country is incredibly offensive to me.
#2638 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 456 weeks ago
I don't think Assange is done and I'll guarantee you the next dump of hacks will be of the media.
What can he really show? We already know from the Podesta leaks the major networks and print outlets were running stories by Clinton before they aired/went to print. The media has an obvious bias to the left, and Fox News and Breitbart aren't the answer. Anyone bitching about Clinton's special treatment but remaining mum when Sean Hannity can't get Trump's dick in his mouth fast enough, isn't being honest. But by and large, excluding the bunk extreme websites, American media is pretty damn good.
I just don't think there's some huge revelation about the media that isn't known. It'll be like the leaked Trump calls to Mexico and Australia. It'll just be more detail to what was already reported on. Are CNN and the Washington Post actively working to construct stories that push Trump in the most negative light? Yes. Is Fox doing the exact opposite? Yes. Will internal emails going into great detail explaining their strategy to accomplish these tasks be any great revelation? I don't think so.
Maybe I'm naive. I just don't think there's some big media bombshell waiting to happen. If anything, though I don't care, the only bombshell I'm expecting to manifest in the coming months is Mueller revealing the corruption at play to protect Hillary from any consequence for her flippant violation of classification law. I know I won't be marching in the streets chanting "lock her up". But it'll be enough of a distraction so that when Junior is found guilty of some obscure tax law for some real estate deal he did, nothing will come of it because both sides will have meat for their base.
#2639 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 456 weeks ago
Booker is trying to pass a bill to remove all capital confederate monuments. Bannon was right, democrats just lost all those seats next year. It's kind of a brilliant move. Schumer knows it. Completely stupid because those people are going to be just more of the same conservatives who'll screw everything up. But hey, Cory will get to be on TV a lot.
This is what I don't get. In the age of the internet, Democrats can't hide behind the media. People are going to see violent leftist attacking innocent people regardless if Rachel Maddow wants to make Jim Carrey faces at the camera and talk about how every person at the rally has sworn fealty to Hitler. Democrats have an amazing opportunity to capitalize on the anger of Trump's bravado. But then they go and fuck it up by crying about bronze statues and giving a platform to idiots whose lives are so meaningless, they need to cry about some General who died 150 years ago. And what Trump said was right. After they get Lee taken down, they will go after Washington and Jefferson. I'm surprised there's not a congressman filing a bill to rename the Washington monument to the Obama monument.
I don't think people are upset at "fake news" or whatever it is they call media that isn't talking about having chills up their leg when Obama speaks. They're upset that millions of people can use YouTube and twitter to have discussions about a black supremacist who murders 5 cops while Maddow wants to talk about how Freddie Gray was killed in cold blood and the rioters in Baltimore are peace loving defenders of freedom.
So they'll enrage the tea party types who DO actually show up to vote, unlike the Sanders crowd, and they'll put more Ted Cruz's in office who will pontificate from the senate floor and worry about shit that doesn't matter.
Democrats are trying to impeach Trump for saying the truth. That can't be emphasized enough. Trump said that both sides were violent which is objectively true. And they think they're going to impeach him for saying this. If they can't see how this is problematic for them, knowing that this same bullshit is why they lost the election, they're going to come up short in 2018. Warren was just attacking Clinton for not being liberal enough, so I don't think they've learned anything. Keith Ellison is 2nd in command of their national party, someone who actually published supremacist and anti semitic material. And Trump is the problem because he spoke the truth.
#2640 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 456 weeks ago
Apparently, as long as violent leftists label their victims "fascists," they are free to set fires, smash windows and beat civilians bloody. No police officer will stop them. They have carte blanche to physically assault anyone they disapprove of, including Charles Murray, Heather Mac Donald, Ben Shapiro, me and Milo Yiannopoulos, as well as anyone who wanted to hear us speak.
Even far-left liberals like Evergreen State professor Bret Weinstein will be stripped of police protection solely because the mob called him a "racist."
If the liberal shock troops deem local Republicans "Nazis" -- because some of them support the duly elected Republican president -- Portland will cancel the annual Rose Festival parade rather than allow any Trump supporters to march.
They're all "fascists"! Ipso facto, the people cracking their skulls and smashing store windows are "anti-fascists," or as they call themselves, "antifa."
We have no way of knowing if the speakers at the Charlottesville "Unite the Right" rally last weekend were "Nazis," "white supremacists" or passionate Civil War buffs, inasmuch as they weren't allowed to speak. The Democratic governor shut the event down, despite a court order to let it proceed.
We have only visuals presented to us by the activist media, showing some participants with Nazi paraphernalia. But for all we know, the Nazi photos are as unrepresentative of the rally as that photo of the drowned Syrian child is of Europe's migrant crisis. Was it 1 percent Nazi or 99 percent Nazi?
As the "Unite the Right" crowd was dispersing, they were forced by the police into the path of the peace-loving, rock-throwing, fire-spraying antifa. A far-left reporter for The New York Times, Sheryl Gay Stolberg, tweeted live from the event: "The hard left seemed as hate-filled as alt-right. I saw club-wielding 'antifa' beating white nationalists being led out of the park."
That's when protestor James Fields sped his car into a crowd of the counter-protesters, then immediately hit reverse, injuring dozens of people, and killing one woman, Heather Heyer.
This has been universally labeled "terrorism," but we still don't know whether Fields hit the gas accidentally, was in fear for his life or if he rammed the group intentionally and maliciously.
With any luck, we'll unravel Fields' motives faster than it took the Obama administration to discern the motives of a Muslim shouting "Allahu Akbar!" while gunning down soldiers at Fort Hood. (Six years.)
But so far, all we know is that Fields said he was "upset about black people" and wanted to kill as many as possible. On his Facebook page, he displayed a "White Power" poster and "liked" three organizations deemed "white separatist hate groups" by the Southern Poverty Law Center. A subsequent search of his home turned up bomb-making materials, ballistic vests, rifles, ammunition and a personal journal of combat tactics.
Actually, none of that is true. The paragraph above describes, down to the letter, what was known about Micah Xavier Johnson, the black man who murdered five Dallas cops a year ago during a Black Lives Matter demonstration. My sole alteration to the facts is reversing the words "black" and "white."
President Obama held a news conference the next day to say it's "very hard to untangle the motives." The New York Times editorialized agnostically that many "possible motives will be ticked off for the killer." (One motive kind of sticks out like a sore thumb to me.)
In certain cases, the media are quite willing to jump to conclusions. In others, they seem to need an inordinate amount of time to detect motives.
The media think they already know all there is to know about James Fields, but they also thought they knew all about the Duke lacrosse players, "gentle giant" Michael Brown and those alleged gang-rapists at the University of Virginia.
Waiting for facts is now the "Nazi" position.
Liberals have Republicans over a barrel because they used the word "racist." The word is kryptonite, capable of turning the entire GOP and 99 percent of the "conservative media" into a panicky mass of cowardice.
This week, Mitt Romney and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) -- among others -- instructed us that masked liberals hitting people with baseball bats are pure of heart -- provided they first label the likes of Charles Murray or some housewife in a "MAGA" hat "fascists."
Luckily, the week before opening fire on Republicans, critically injuring House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, Bernie Sanders-supporter James Hodgkinson had used the vital talisman, calling the GOP "fascist." So you see, he wasn't trying to commit mass murder! He was just fighting "Nazis." Rubio and Romney will be expert witnesses.
And let's recall the response of Hillary Clinton to the horrifying murder of five Dallas cops last year. The woman who ran against Trump displayed all the moral blindness currently being slanderously imputed to him.
In an interview on CNN about the slaughter that had taken place roughly 12 hours earlier, Hillary barely paused to acknowledge the five dead officers -- much less condemn the shooting -- before criticizing police for their "implicit bias" six times in about as many minutes.
What she really wanted to talk about were the two recent police shootings of black men in Baton Rouge and Minneapolis, refusing to contradict Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton's claim that the Minneapolis shooting was based on racism.
Officers in both cases were later found innocent of any wrongdoing. Either the left has had a really bad streak of luck on their police brutality cases, or bad cops are a lot rarer than they think.
Some people would not consider the mass murder of five white policemen by an anti-cop nut in the middle of a BLM protest a good jumping-off point for airing BLM's delusional complaints about the police. It would be like responding to John Hinckley Jr.'s attempted murder of President Reagan by denouncing Jodie Foster for not dating him.
Or, to bring it back to Charlottesville, it would be as if Trump had responded by expounding on the kookiest positions of "Unite the Right" -- just as Hillary's response echoed the paranoid obsessions of the cop-killer. Trump would have quickly skipped over the dead girl and railed against black people, Jews and so on.
That is the precise analogy to what Hillary did as the bodies of five Dallas cops lay in the morgue.
Thank God Donald J. Trump is our president, and not Mitt Romney, not Marco Rubio and not that nasty woman.

