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#2781 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 461 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:misterID wrote:He didn't say it was illegal. That's why we have investigations. They could find he was soliciting dirt from Russia. But when you're intentionally going into a meeting with the intent of getting dirt, like stolen emails, it does not bode well.
Ethics violations, breaking your oath of office might not get you in jail, but it could get you impeached. This is another thing that goes behind the decision of stopping the FBI/Russia investigation.
Is the President associated with this? What leads you to believe this had anything to do with emails? This meeting occurred before the leaks. And nothing has been put out there that suggests Jr received anything or this woman had any connection to the hacks? So I'll ask again, how is this any different than the DNC and Clinton's team meeting with the Ukrainian Ambassador to get dirt on Trump?
I know the answer is it isn't, and this is just more false alarms and howling at the wind. You acknowledged nothing illegal has happened, so why the story? It it because like I said earlier, none of you are interested in truth, least of all being consistent in your principals and applying them to yourselves and your own leaders. You're interested in creating chaos, because you still haven't learned that yelling at the other side for doing exactly what you do, and offering no solutions to any of the problems that affect the majority, is why your party is at its weakest point in American history.
Please, keep yelling about every story that comes out there. It's doing wondrous things for credibility.
But thanks for acknowledging early on this time that there is no evidence and nothing illegal has occurred. Now if we could just stop pretending every made up story is the end of the world, we'd be making real progress. Small steps though.
Try reading. We are saying things are being investigated, there might be something illegal, might not. We're not screaming anything definitive like you are. That's why we have investigations. As opposed to someone yelling...
THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE HERE!!! LIES!!!! DEMOCRATS ARE WEAK!!! YOUR PARTY IS DYING!!! NOTHING ILLEGAL!!!! SHOW ME THE DOCUMENTS, NO THE ACTUAL DOCUMENTS, BRING ME PUTIN FOR HIM TO TELL ME HIMSELF OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!! HILLARY!!!!!! IT'S LIES!!!! OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're bending over backwards trying to deflect and acting like a drama queen to protect Don some odd reason.
I'm sure Muller will find this interesting with his obstruction investigation... Trump's campaign not only lied about meeting with Russians, including this specific Russian, but one who they thought had dirt on Hillary. When you ask why Don would want to stop the investigation, this could come into play.
I can read just fine. Thanks though. This time, YOU covered your ass and admitted you didn't know if it was true or illegal. This time. Every other time, you and or others have come in here claiming this is the big one (Remember when SLC claimed Flynn was going to "flip on Trump", then a few weeks later said he never said any of this nor that Trump was ever under investigation).
I'm not going to get sucked into the trap of defending Jr. I don't know what happened. SLC called me and SGs out for remaining silent, as he started to rant about how this is treason and the latest evidence of collusion (watch, he won't defend the Treason claim and ignore these parts of my posts because it shows he's a liar or just stupid). As I've said since this story broke, I have no idea what happened. On the surface, nothing is illegal about meeting with someone from Russia, just as it's not illegal to meet from someone from the UK or Ukraine like Clinton's campaign did. If something else happened, I'd like to know. But I'm not going to join your circle jerk of speculation and giddiness thinking you've finally got your smoking gun to end Trump. I'm not interested. I didn't join the party when the idiots were yelling "Lock her up" and I'm not going to join in with the dipshits yelling "Impeach" or "Collusion". Consistency.
#2782 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 461 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:PaSnow wrote:I'm just shocked he released these emails. They do him no favors. I'll give him credit for transparency, but it doesn't alleviate him from what he's entering into. This is getting really bad.
What was illegal? What did he do that the Clinton campaign didn't do with Ukraine and the piss dossier SLC loves?
I'm genuinely asking. What law was broken?
The lead prosecutor from Watergate says it's a crime. Along with W's previous ethics lawyer. That's good enough for me. We'll have to see what the investigation concludes.
More "whataboutism." The two instances are nothing alike. Did you read that article? You're a one trick pony with this, sad!
And quit lying about the dossier, I've barely mentioned it...lyin' Randy.
No, they didn't Can you link the article where W's ethics lawyers called it a crime? I asked you this yesterday, when you said they called it treason, and as predicted, you ignored it just as you'll ignore this because you either can't read or just enjoy lying. But I'm glad people with no knowledge of what occured, talking on a 5 minute interview is all the evidence you need. That explain why you posted that Loose Change video non-stop for 2 years. Your standards of evidence are a lot lower and have nothing in common with an academic or legal setting.
#2783 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 461 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:This meeting occurred before the leaks. And nothing has been put out there that suggests Jr received anything or this woman had any connection to the hacks?
C'mon, it's called common sense. Secondly, give it a few more weeks, it'll come out. You keep yelling out "There's nothing there", then, when a couple weeks later some more news comes out about it, you say "Oh please, there's nothing else there". Then, a few more weeks later MORE news breaks, you say again "Oh please, there's nothing else there. Is that all you have?". Its a never ending cycle with you. I've said from the start it might take 1-2 years for all this to go down. It's not looking good right now, wouldn't surprise me if by New Years this whole things a huge mess.
Come on dude, that is so not true. Nothing you guys (I'm not really including you, since you didn't go head first into the conspiracy like others) have claimed has come to fruition. Not a single claim. You confuse me calling the idiots who come in here every day saying "THIS IS IT!" out and asking for evidence to support their claims, with saying "NOTHING WRONG/ILLEGAL HAS EVER HAPPENED OR WILL EVER HAPPEN". Quite the opposite. I just want evidence. Not "gut feelings", rumors, speculation, or more commonly - a complete misreading of a news article (refer to SLC saying Bush's Ethics Lawyers said this is "tantamount to treason").
I've made it crystal clear I don't approve of the way Trump conducts himself. I don't like that the Republicans are just as bad as the Democrats were in 2009. Nothing is getting done. And Trump embarrasses himself every day with something new. None of that negates that the man hasn't done anything illegal, the "collusion" claims from the left and from members on this forum, were complete bunk and shot down.
And worse, in nearly every instance of some "wrong doing" by Trump or an associate, there is more evidence of the same crime directly to Clinton or someone in her campaign, and it's hand waived and excused. Yes, Trump is the President. None of that has anything to do with excusing possible illegal actions of the person that nearly everyone on this forum, to include me, voted for. If you only scream when Trump or a Republican allegedly does something, but ignore and excuse when more evidence of illegal activity occurred among your own group, you don't have any credibility.
I ask for actual evidence, you know, the kind of shit that actually holds up in a court of law and not just in the conspiracy wings of the internet. When there's actual evidence, I'll look. But so far all I've seen are a lot of people crying wolf or injecting conspiracy into completely benign actions, like Sessions meeting with the ambassador publicly in his office.
#2784 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 461 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:PaSnow wrote:I'm just shocked he released these emails. They do him no favors. I'll give him credit for transparency, but it doesn't alleviate him from what he's entering into. This is getting really bad.
What was illegal? What did he do that the Clinton campaign didn't do with Ukraine and the piss dossier SLC loves?
I'm genuinely asking. What law was broken?
He didn't say it was illegal. That's why we have investigations. They could find he was soliciting dirt from Russia. But when you're intentionally going into a meeting with the intent of getting dirt, like stolen emails, it does not bode well.
Ethics violations, breaking your oath of office might not get you in jail, but it could get you impeached. This is another thing that goes behind the decision of stopping the FBI/Russia investigation.
Is the President associated with this? What leads you to believe this had anything to do with emails? This meeting occurred before the leaks. And nothing has been put out there that suggests Jr received anything or this woman had any connection to the hacks? So I'll ask again, how is this any different than the DNC and Clinton's team meeting with the Ukrainian Ambassador to get dirt on Trump?
I know the answer is it isn't, and this is just more false alarms and howling at the wind. You acknowledged nothing illegal has happened, so why the story? It it because like I said earlier, none of you are interested in truth, least of all being consistent in your principals and applying them to yourselves and your own leaders. You're interested in creating chaos, because you still haven't learned that yelling at the other side for doing exactly what you do, and offering no solutions to any of the problems that affect the majority, is why your party is at its weakest point in American history.
Please, keep yelling about every story that comes out there. It's doing wondrous things for credibility.
But thanks for acknowledging early on this time that there is no evidence and nothing illegal has occurred. Now if we could just stop pretending every made up story is the end of the world, we'd be making real progress. Small steps though.
#2785 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 461 weeks ago
I'm just shocked he released these emails. They do him no favors. I'll give him credit for transparency, but it doesn't alleviate him from what he's entering into. This is getting really bad.
What was illegal? What did he do that the Clinton campaign didn't do with Ukraine and the piss dossier SLC loves?
I'm genuinely asking. What law was broken?
#2786 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 461 weeks ago
http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat … an-sources
What was illegal again?
Did we forget about this? http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/u … ire-233446
So was one illegal? Both? Neither?
I'm just trying to find out what illegal act occurred.
#2787 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 461 weeks ago
Yep, that sums it up perfectly.
#2788 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 461 weeks ago
The story was confirmed by Trump's own people, and of course Donny Jr.
W's ethics lawyer says this is tantamount to treason.
Anything else you'd like to add?
What did they say was fucking treason? You don't know what fucking happened. You're speculating. Jr says she offered info the DNC was on Russia's payroll. I don't know if he's telling the truth. Neither do you.
You're so fucking dishonest in what you say. I'm sure 7 weeks from now you'll argue you never said Jr did anything illegal.
So what did he do that was illegal? What do you actually know?
I know you won't answer those questions. You'll call me a liar and post some more nonsense and assumptions. Worse, you'll you deny even making them just a few days later.
I'm totally convinced you're posting for lulz. No one is this much of a troll. I refuse to believe you're this disingenuous.
#2789 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 461 weeks ago
Lyin' Randy just can't help himself. It was repeated to you then, and it has been repeated since, nobody was claiming Trump specifically was under investigation. Although his administration was.
This is all pathetic really. You split hairs and play word games so you can attack strawmen. When news comes to light, you ignore it, demand more "evidence" and continue to lie about the past.
How many times must the people you attack tell you that's not what they were claiming? I guess you wouldn't have anything without your lies. You might as well just argue with yourself, speaking for us on our behalf.
No truther. You don't get to lie and claim you never said Trump was under investigation. The posts are still there. I quoted you. You don't get to pretend you aren't a conspiracy nut because it's inconvenient.
#2790 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 461 weeks ago
Wow a whole 5 months later due to an event that hadn't happened yet! I didn't realize you lived in a time bubble 5 months in the future. What are the powerball numbers Wednesday?
