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#271 Re: Guns N' Roses » AXL ROSE Reportedly Close to Losing Lawsuit Against ACTIVISION For Fea » 658 weeks ago
Slash wrote those guitars, not whoever played then in the band that holds the Guns N' Roses name. Axl can't rewrite history, however hard he's trying.
#272 Re: Guns N' Roses » Doug Goldstein Letter to Axl » 658 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:Ali wrote:I have common sense, but I think the problem is your definition of common sense is tantamount to presumptions that suit your pre-existing notions of how this situation unfolded. You say Axl surely knew that dirty tricks were used by Big FD to get Slash/Duff to sign over the name. Unless there is some recording or paper trail where he gives explicit instructions to try and coerce Slash/Duff into signing over the name, or he was actually in the room when it happened (which we know is not the case), then you have bases to say he SURELY knew. Is it possible he knew? It's possible. Is it a certainty as you claim? Absolutely not. IMO, that is a more reasoned assessment than what you stated.
Ali
Does it matter if he knew? He clearly had no issues invoking the clause.
It doesn't change the ultimate outcome, but when you're talking about what someone did or didn't know, I think there should at least be some basis for that.
Anyway, it's kinda funny to see someone be so emphatic about what happened or how it happened when Duff said this on the Opie & Anthony show after his book came out:
Opie & Anthony: Did he [Axl] really come to you and Slash and wanted you to sign paper before you went on stage.
Duff McKagan: No no no. I hope that part of the book is clear. In that part of our group, I don't think there was any connection between management and the band and all of that stuff. I do think people thought Slash and I were going to die. I think there were some safe guards...the point I was trying to make was our band had gotten so out of our control.
The papers were presented to us [by management].
Opie & Anthony: Do you think it was more of a management thing than from him [Axl] personally?
Duff McKagan: To this day I don't really know.
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/boar … msg1303977
If Duff doesn't even say that Axl was certainly behind how the contract was presented, how can anyone else?
Ali
Axl's words are crystal clear.
Also don't forget that Duff's book came out when they were trying to ease the situation between Axl and Slash to help the RRHOF reunion, and Duff was kinda the negotiator, so he had to be very diplomatic. It's easier to blame the ex-manager for all that went bad, especially since Doug lost Axl's confidence, too. However it's insane to think that Axl never knew about how he got the name that worths a fortune.
#273 Re: Guns N' Roses » Doug Goldstein Letter to Axl » 658 weeks ago
Ali wrote:Mikkamakka wrote:Common sense, Ali. You know, that something other people use. Believe me, nobody on Earth would sign over a million dollar worth property for nothing, just to see Axl smile. Except you, maybe.
I have common sense, but I think the problem is your definition of common sense is tantamount to presumptions that suit your pre-existing notions of how this situation unfolded. You say Axl surely knew that dirty tricks were used by Big FD to get Slash/Duff to sign over the name. Unless there is some recording or paper trail where he gives explicit instructions to try and coerce Slash/Duff into signing over the name, or he was actually in the room when it happened (which we know is not the case), then you have bases to say he SURELY knew. Is it possible he knew? It's possible. Is it a certainty as you claim? Absolutely not. IMO, that is a more reasoned assessment than what you stated.
Ali
I love when people make a conscious effort to sound smarter than they are by using ridiclous vocabulary. Ali we're on a Gn'R message board, not a court room. Seriously drop the act already. You know how I know it's an act? Cause you'd never talk that way in real life to any of us. I've never seen anyone buy into their own online persona like you do. The more people suggesed you act like Gn'R's attourney the more you play it up. It's so fucking weird.
Absolutely.
Ali, I know that you will not allow yourself to understand it. But. A last try.
Imagine that you own a palace together with 2 of your (ex-)friends. This palace worths millions of dollars. You wanna own it alone, for whatever reason - you want the property or you think that your (ex-)friends are making a mess there all the time. You barely even talk anymore, it's a cold war between you and them.
You have a friend. A very loyal friend, who does things for you. One day he comes in and says: 'Ali, now it's your house. The others singed over their rights'. Whether you asked him to get this job done or the result came all of the sudden, doesn't matter that much right now. But. Wouldn't you be fuckin' surprised? Wouldn't you wanna know how it happened? Would you believe for a nanosecond that they signed over that million dollar worth property without getting any money for it? Wouldn't you suspect some dirty things, like blackmailing them and such?
I think the answer is pretty clear.
Also, imagine the situation: after all this happened, you ask yourself to be your paid housekeeper and gardener. They did the same job before, when you owned the palace together, but now they either accept being your employee or need to leave the house.
The situation is pretty clear.
Axl wanted power over the others at any cost. He got it. Didn't care about how. And this is the best case scenario. The other says he wanted it to happen as bad as it can get.
#274 Re: The Sunset Strip » Nick Cave » 658 weeks ago
Mikkamakka wrote:I love Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds, but almost hate this song.
Can't wait to hear their new album, but the single isn't convincing at all.
Really? Aww man that and Dig Lazarus Dig are the songs that got me into Nick Cave.
Yeah I heard the new song very laid back by their standards.What's your favorite song?
It's impossible to choose one. I love the whole "No More Shall We Part" album, but "The Boatman's Call", "Murder Ballads", "Let Love In" and "Henry's Dream" are really strong records, too. My biggest favourite songs would make more than an album, I can't make an order... From Her To Eternity, The Mercy Seat, Mercy, Do You Love Me, Let Love In, Red Right Hand, Stagger Lee, O'Malley's Bar, Song of Joy, There Is a Kingdom, (Are You) The One That I've Been Waiting For?, As I Sat Sadly by Her Side, And No More Shall We Part, Fifteen Feet of Pure White Snow, Oh My Lord, The Sorrowful Wife, We Came Along This Road, Get Ready for Love, Supernaturally, Lie Down Here (& Be My Girl)... there is many
What are yours?
These The Mercy Seat versions are phenomenal, check them!
#275 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash to Tour UK, Europe » 658 weeks ago
They did play Serial Killer in Dubai. I really hope that song makes the setlist in Budapest next week. One of my favourites.
#276 Re: Guns N' Roses » Doug Goldstein Letter to Axl » 658 weeks ago
Mikkamakka wrote:polluxlm wrote:CD is better than nothing. At least we got TWAT from it.
On second thought, perhaps an Axl Rose forced to go solo would have given us more material.
Yeah, I agree. I think part of the fan base is to desperate to have "Guns N' Roses" around, whatever that means. They want to get their illusion that their favourite band still exists. The others (me included) are exactly the opposite. We have the name fixation, too, but we "want to protect" our memories and would be happier if the brand weren't used after 1995-1996. Anyway, a serious amount of quality new material under whatever name would give these debates a rest forever.
I think the theory that Axl has run the GNR name into the ground or has tarnished their legacy is way overblown. When the dust settles, people are going to remember GNR from 87-93 and that's it.
He's been working very hard to tarnish the legacy, but I agree, he won't succeed. Guns N' Roses were too big and will be too relevant forever, based on their '87-'93 heyday, so the legacy will survive the last 2 decades of decadence.
However, I do hope Axl changes that and makes people take notice of this era.
That's what we've been waiting for since 1996. I still haven't entirely given up on him, but I'm afraid we believe in his ability to change (or do anything new) way too much. Maybe Axl burnt out too early, but we still cannot face it, however we've got a serious amount of "wake up, it's nostalgia trip" heads-ups in the recent years.
#277 Re: Guns N' Roses » Doug Goldstein Letter to Axl » 658 weeks ago
CD is better than nothing. At least we got TWAT from it.
On second thought, perhaps an Axl Rose forced to go solo would have given us more material.
Yeah, I agree. I think part of the fan base is to desperate to have "Guns N' Roses" around, whatever that means. They want to get their illusion that their favourite band still exists. The others (me included) are exactly the opposite. We have the name fixation, too, but we "want to protect" our memories and would be happier if the brand weren't used after 1995-1996. Anyway, a serious amount of quality new material under whatever name would give these debates a rest forever.
#278 Re: Guns N' Roses » Doug Goldstein Letter to Axl » 658 weeks ago
That'd be such a loss.
#279 Re: The Sunset Strip » Nick Cave » 658 weeks ago
I love Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds, but almost hate this song. 
Can't wait to hear their new album, but the single isn't convincing at all.
#280 Re: Guns N' Roses » Doug Goldstein Letter to Axl » 658 weeks ago
Get over it already.
Get over what?
