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#2811 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago
Flagg still lying about Trump being under investigation, calling it a "conspiracy."
So it goes like this:
F: He's not under investigation...repeat 1000x over the last 3 months.
(turns out Trump is under investigation-Trump even admits it on Twitter)
F: Once he's cleared of this, you liberals sure will look stupid.
(two weeks later)
F: He's not under investigation, you liberals and your conspiracy theories.
No, genius. You don't get to claim he was under investigation since January, which we know is false. Then because he's "under investigation" for firing Comey in May, claim "See, I was right all along!"
Maybe in your world of piss tapes and 9/11 being an inside job, that's how it works. But in the real world, when you make a claim, it has to be true at the time. Not months later for a completely different reason. You still make posts about the piss tapes, you still claim Russian collusion. You still claim Bush was behind 9/11. No amount of fact is going to sway you from your radical views.
#2812 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago
These German snow flakes need to chill the Fuck out. They are protesting the G20 and capitalism. GO FUCK YOURSELVES YOU SELFISH COCKSUCKERS.
Look at East and West Berlin and tell me which side is better. If only we'd have put purse strings on the Marshall Plan when we rebuilt their country.
#2813 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago
bigbri wrote:Haha, Chicago is safe. I've never felt in danger. I work downtown, but I've been on the south and west sides. One of our research projects is in a school in a very bad neighborhood on the south side. We have 2 on the west side, as well. We have 3 million people in this city. A few hundred or maybe a thousand or so are feuding.
Didn't 100 people get killed over the weekend?? Sounds safe! Seriously every city has shit hole areas most white people should avoid (not being racist just true) the Ensley neighborhood of Birmingham is a place I don't want to be at no matter the time of day. We have many neighborhoods like this. My point is I don't need to go to Mexico to seek harm, there are a shit load of bad places here in the US. Look at what happened to Arkansas and the hospital just over the weekend. Too many people dying to just call everything "safe" lol.
100 people were shot. Not 100 were killed. I'm in Chicago about one week out of the month. I work on the North Shore right off Michigan and Wacker. I've never felt unsafe, but I also only stray from downtown to go up to Northfield or some restaurant my co-workers frequent. None are in the South Side or West Side bad parts of town.
#2814 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago
Please, go back and read our Obamacare debates. Again, I'm not going to keep repeating myself, and I think you're doing it on purpose to deflect. Until you admit the republicans hand in Obamacare plan, like stripping the provisions to keep premiums down, blocking subsidies, etc., there's no point in discussing because you refuse to be honest about it.
So did the democrats create a bad bill or not? How could the GOP block anything that the DNC codified into law? If what you mean is the Democrats wrote a bad bill, missed a bunch of things because they were in a rush to pass it, and when the GOP had control of the House in 2010, didn't roll over and agree to whatever bandaid fix the Democrats wanted, that isn't on the GOP. The Dems still made a bad bill and they own all of its success and failures. You keep ignoring this and wanting to pretend the DNC didn't create a shit bill and it is somehow the Republicans fault Obama and the Democrats never wanted to incorporate any of their ideas. Remember when Obama said Republicans need to get to the back of the bus, Democrats are in charge now? I sure do.
#2815 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:misterID wrote:You realize Mexico is one of the most dangerous places in the world, right? Places that would make Chicago look like Disneyland. Yeah, they work hard to protect their tourists so not to hurt the tourism industry... So do we.
There are consequences to leaving a place to rot.
What the fuck does Mexico have to do with the US or Chicago? I mean, I agree with you, and that's why we shouldn't have an open border with a country that has a higher body count than Syria. Why we shouldn't reward illegals by granting their children citizenship, or even give it a second thought when some sob story is told about how illegals are scared to apply for welfare benefits because they may be sent home. No one asked them to come here and have children. They weren't invited. They're obviously not contributing if they need Americans to give them money so their children can eat. In what logical view is this my or your problem? Contrary to progressive talking points, the 14th amendment doesn't bestow citizenship to anyone born on US Soil. It wasn't until Kennedy's Immigration Bill in 1965 that Congress gave citizenship status to all people born on US soil. Congress can take that away and that's my biggest hope under Trump's first 4 years. Good luck getting SCOTUS to affirm that someone who illegally enters our country and has a child is somehow now a citizen. I'm sure they'll rule that if your parents rob a bank and hand you the money, you can keep it too.
Chicagoans are Americans though. And while I couldn't care less if two gang bangers clip each other, I do care that the 2 or 3 black Americans who are questionably shot by police each year are a bigger story than the 5-6000 who are killed by gang violence each year by other blacks.
Had you actually read the quote I was responding to, you'd see SG was comparing Mexico to Chicago.
SG's comment shouldn't be taken seriously because as you pointed out, Mexico has the highest body count in the world. I lived in El Paso for 2 years and saw Juarez everyday on my drive onto base. It sure as hell wasn't safer than Chicago or any other US city.
I can't and don't respond to or care how someone "feels".
#2816 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:https://www.yahoo.com/news/holiday-week … 49379.html
Saw this headline. 100 people shot in Chicago this weekend. Almost entirely in the South and West sides. Hmm, who lives in those areas, Mitch? Probably those evil white males you're always ranting about. Couldn't possibly be anyone else.
Send in the fucking tanks. Those dip shits are on the same Fucking level of ISIS. I was down in Cabo San Lucas this weekend and drove round trip to La Paz (2 hours each way) and felt safer there than I would in most urban areas of the US. God I love the Mexican people. Good folks. And Americans are good folks too, but damn we have a lot of bad apples. Apparently a shit load in Chicago.
You realize Mexico is one of the most dangerous places in the world, right? Places that would make Chicago look like Disneyland. Yeah, they work hard to protect their tourists so not to hurt the tourism industry... So do we.
There are consequences to leaving a place to rot.
What the fuck does Mexico have to do with the US or Chicago? I mean, I agree with you, and that's why we shouldn't have an open border with a country that has a higher body count than Syria. Why we shouldn't reward illegals by granting their children citizenship, or even give it a second thought when some sob story is told about how illegals are scared to apply for welfare benefits because they may be sent home. No one asked them to come here and have children. They weren't invited. They're obviously not contributing if they need Americans to give them money so their children can eat. In what logical view is this my or your problem? Contrary to progressive talking points, the 14th amendment doesn't bestow citizenship to anyone born on US Soil. It wasn't until Kennedy's Immigration Bill in 1965 that Congress gave citizenship status to all people born on US soil. Congress can take that away and that's my biggest hope under Trump's first 4 years. Good luck getting SCOTUS to affirm that someone who illegally enters our country and has a child is somehow now a citizen. I'm sure they'll rule that if your parents rob a bank and hand you the money, you can keep it too.
Chicagoans are Americans though. And while I couldn't care less if two gang bangers clip each other, I do care that the 2 or 3 black Americans who are questionably shot by police each year are a bigger story than the 5-6000 who are killed by gang violence each year by other blacks.
#2817 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:You're ignorance keeps shining through. He's not my anything since I didn't vote for him. He's as useless as Obama was and all politicians in the past 20ish years.
I don't give the "victim" a free pass when they are a willing "victim" as they are in these cases like you do. I expect them to have some accountability for their own lives.
I thought we all knew the criteria for the unemployment numbers were changed by Obama's administration. That actually happened. I didn't know we were denying undeniable facts. And since you clearly don't understand English, nowhere did I say that people I talk to are interpreting unemployment data. They don't give a shit what the numbers say; they only care about what is actually happening in their lives. Learn something for once. You're awfully compassionate for the people that take out bad loans, yet you appear to have no sympathy for those not riding high on the hog from King Obama's fantastic economy.
Reading comprehension not your strong point. Can't have a conversation with you because you clearly don't understand or want to understand a word I'm saying. Go back to your little ego stroking with your two buddies. I gave you another shot and not at all surprisingly you failed miserably. See ya!
Nope, we were having a debate and you went mental again with the name calling and absurdities. I remember clearly you were in here defending and praising Trump as a "deal maker" and that he was going to do all these great things and we were idiots for making fun of him. He's yours, you own him, and you're going to wear it on your forehead like a Scarlett letter.
This just in, there are people who will suffer under the strongest economy, that's capitalism. There are winners and losers. Try blaming them for not choosing a better career. Why not? It works for you with other people.
I've blamed and given Obama shit when he deserved it. You guys can't accept anything good that happened under him, but will bend over backwards defending a fucktard, bloated orangutan.
Obama's bailout of the auto industry was the right move. I opposed it at the time, but I was wrong. Other than that, what did the guy do of any significance? He didn't put forth any real jobs program. His green energy horse shit was just that. Solyndra was a failure. I have nothing against green energy, but it can't compete with fossil fuels, at least not on any large scale or away from areas with large bodies of moving water. Obamacare is a failure. Even Hillary was calling it such this week. The entire crux of the policy was the individual mandate, and not only was it not enforced for years, but the penalty is not even comparable to the cost of insurance. But rather than accept your party created a bad bill that every expert knew wasn't realistic, it's Rubio's fault somehow. Somehow Marco was able to change the bill Democrats sleazily passed through congress without a single Republican vote. Not the Democrats, but the Republicans are to blame. Why do you think the Democrats have lost every bastion of power over 6 years? The public is tired of a party that treats everyone like a victim and lacks any real solution that solves the root cause. Everything the DNC offers is a bandaid fix. Gun violence an issue in Chicago? Don't blame the people shooting each other - it's the fucking guns' fault. Or it's the NRA or gun industry. Anyone but the thugs gunning each other down in their own neighborhoods.
What did HE do as a President that makes him so awesome? What policies did he work to build? His DREAMER bullshit put the needs of non-citizens ahead of our own. Why is it ok to make a ridiculous claim that Obamacare saved lives, but fall silent when an illegal rapes, murders or harms someone? Doesn't he own that? His foreign policy was fucked. Not one single accomplishment. Every aspect of his policy was an abject failure. And he sat with his thumb up his ass as Russia took over parts of Georgia and Ukraine and remained silent when they hacked the DNC and voter registration systems. He had no problem mocking both Romney and McCain on their criticism towards Russia. Yea, he was in office when Bin Laden got smoked. But did Obama do anything to make that happen? Did any of his policies or defense strategy result in that kill? If Vulcans land on earth tomorrow or NDT invents warp drive next week, does that mean Trump gets credit for that? It's cheerleader nonsense.
Buzz is right. You guys had your black Jesus and it didn't matter if he fucked up our international standing. It didn't matter that many economist said he delayed the recession's recovery. People were happy to have a photo with a black man (who never knew his black father and was raised by his white grandparents, but he's totally 100% black guys) who had done nothing in life other than graduate from Harvard Law School. No experience or accomplishments needed. You were fine with a talking head who made fun of those you consider your inferiors (Cling to your god and guns) and said whatever nonsense the progressive base thinks is doable. Now that we have another loud mouth in the office who doesn't smile while he politely calls you a fucking idiot, it's somehow the end of the world. I never understood why it was okay for Hillary to call someone "deplorable" but "bitch" was a bridge too far. Look up the definitions of each word and tell me which one is harsher?
Trump's in office. So the discussion should focus on what he's doing and not what his opponents or predecessors didn't do or should've done. But you're not even doing that. You're focused on conspiracy theories and fixated on his fucking twitter account. We could very likely be at war in 90 days with North Korea, but your media is worried because some millionaire who spends every day calling Trump a psychopath was called a mean name by the President over Twitter. Talk about being in a fucking bubble.
#2818 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:http://www.al.com/news/huntsville/index … abama.html
Picked up a wanna be ISIS terrorist in Alabama.
Christ, one of my best friends is a cop in Huntsville.
I live in Bham, Huntsville is a nice town and has grown a lot over the past few years. Glad they got this clown!
Now that I think of it, he actually lives in Madison, just worked at the MDA in Hunstsville.
#2819 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago
http://www.al.com/news/huntsville/index … abama.html
Picked up a wanna be ISIS terrorist in Alabama.
Christ, one of my best friends is a cop in Huntsville.
#2820 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 462 weeks ago
Righties want to talk about anything other than Trump. Obama, Hillary, poor people getting home loans, personal responsibility, blacks shooting one another in Chicago (hardly the worst city btw, but they only are capable of repeating what their right wing media talking points tell them to), trannies...pretend UE numbers...you name it.
Anything but Trump.
No, we prefer to talk about facts and reality. Not made up conspiracies about piss tapes, russian collusion or 2 pages about some retarded fucking meme Trump shared.
