These counter points are really funny. Because I didn't speak out on it at the time it makes the act...okay?  Tbh, I didn't know, had I known I would have spoke out. The fact is he surpassed what Obama did in 8 years in that one deal.

Randall Flagg wrote:

Neemo wrote:

I agree with parts of what you are both saying...but I believe the issue is the extremist point of view of the Muslim faith ... not necessarily the faith itself ... the near impossible part is telling who holds those extremist views. In the past I have had discussions with Muslim co-workers and, and you are right Randall, they do not think like Westerners at all where religion is concerned.

I am a firm believer that if u want to move to a new country that you should make a concentrated effort to integrate into the society of that country ... I know, at least in my area, that doesn't always seem to happen.

The last real whacko Christian that I can recall is David Koresh, I don't think he fancied himself a terrorist, but the results of his actions were pretty terrifying ... and done in the name of "God".

I was born and raised Roman Catholic...but I'm pretty jaded and haven't practiced religion in a looking time.

And Koresh didn't kill anyone.  He led a cult that lived in isolation and told his voluntary followers he was Jesus.  Stupid, yes. But it wasn't until Reno and Clinton wanted to make a stand that they burned Waco to the ground and killed a bunch of people who's only crime was joining a cult.  Compare that with the millions of extremist Muslims worldwide who wouldn't hesitate for a second to butcher you and your daughter.

Koresh didn't just call himself Jesus he was stockpiling weapons for a war and RAPING LITTLE GIRLS.

The Christian empire was built on terrorism and destroying other religions. It worked for them. They had the power of that empire to do what they wanted to anyone they wanted. We're still dealing with the entitlement mindset of Christians in this country.

I agree with parts of what you are both saying...but I believe the issue is the extremist point of view of the Muslim faith ... not necessarily the faith itself ... the near impossible part is telling who holds those extremist views. In the past I have had discussions with Muslim co-workers and, and you are right Randall, they do not think like Westerners at all where religion is concerned.

I am a firm believer that if u want to move to a new country that you should make a concentrated effort to integrate into the society of that country ... I know, at least in my area, that doesn't always seem to happen.

The last real whacko Christian that I can recall is David Koresh, I don't think he fancied himself a terrorist, but the results of his actions were pretty terrifying ... and done in the name of "God".

I was born and raised Roman Catholic...but I'm pretty jaded and haven't practiced religion in a looking time.

Smoking Guns wrote:

ID we seem to all agree on the religion thing. Can we all agree there is a bigger problem with the Muslim Faith than the Jewish or Christian faith and stop trying to create some bullshit false equivalency like Mitch and MSNBC likes to push?

That's not exactly my point...my point is what good does it do to divide and organize terror atracks based on religious affiliation? And if we in insist on doing that, then you have to have a category for Christian terrorism as well as Muslim or Islam or Jewish.

But even more, the dangers of these categories lead to over-generalization. Which leads to fear mongering. Which then leads one person to force another to put yourself in a category so we know for sure whose side you're on.

Didnt you just ask muslims to no longer use the word Muslim?