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#2891 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 467 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:

New Okay you have millions of crazy Muslims and you have over a billion Muslims.

This is what the Muslim faith needs to do.

1) Let the crazies keep the Muslim name. So all Muslims we know are terrorists.

2) Rename your version of the Muslim faith so you are not associated with the crazies.

3) Define your book and leave out the crazy shit. Basically define your faith for what you do and do not accept. Again, after this exercises only the crazies will be called Muslims. The new faith will now be the peaceful one because only the peaceful one will want to be in this new version of Muslim. The new version that doesn't allow the crazy ****ers or their beliefs. There will be no more perverted versions or misinterpreted versions. The new Muslim faith will be black and white. Now, there will still be bad folks and common criminals in the new Muslims faith. Just like every faith. But there won't be as many killings or crimes in the name of faith. Except for the remaining Muslims and some other extremely small fringe groups etc.

So to sum it all up, the good peaceful Muslims create a new name, branding, identity. Let the crazies keep the Muslim name and move on.

Terrorists are going to commit acts of terror...US included...Christianity is as violent a religion as any. You just refuse to see it because you're deeply intrenched in ethnocentric views.

So long as there are borders and religions and people with varying skin colors, this will go on for eternity.

When's the last time a Christian shot up a mall, blew up a building or knifed people in the name of Jesus. This is such a crock of shit and shows why we're powerless to stop terrorism. You'd rather stick your head in the sand and claim "all religions are equal" rather than admit the truth that Islam is completely incompatible with western society.

The New Testament tells us to love thy neighbor and turn the other cheek. Islam tells us to kill non believers. It's a fundamental distinction you refuse to make. Christ didn't fuck a 9 year old and lead hordes of warriors on conquest. Mohammed did.

The most vile Christians in the west protest funerals. The most vile Muslims kill innocent children.

#2892 Re: The Garden » The United Kingdom General Election, 2nd May 2024 » 467 weeks ago

faldor wrote:
mitchejw wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:

Time to let Trump have his temporary travel ban and be done with it.

THis is the kind of jack assery that shows the average American's soul to the rest of you...

SG comes into the European politics thread to talk about the Trump travel.

Not only does he have know knowledge of American law or the judiciary...he couldn't give a shit less about any English that lost a loved one today.

It's the wrong thread and time to bring up Trump's travel ban, but you're out of line saying he doesn't care about any of the victims. I'll leave it at that.

Thoughts and prayers to the victims and people of London.

Yea, this guy didn't hesitate to immediately blame Trump before the Ariana Grande bombing was final.

This is so tragic. I don't know what the answer is, but the people of London shouldn't have to accept this as the new normal.

#2893 Re: The Garden » Terrorist Attack at Ariana Grande concert » 467 weeks ago

Neemo wrote:

Round people up based on the colour of their skin and their beliefs.. .what is this 1942?

Or are we going on a witch hunt?

You can talk about Islamaphobia while they behead you

#2894 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 467 weeks ago

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/us-j … 59119.html

So for consistency sake, let's quit using this bullshit number to address jobs.  What is the real number of employment age people who are looking for work (or should be looking for work), and what percent are working full time.  That's all that matters.  They should start focusing on the amount of people kicked off welfare and forced to get a job or provided one by their local government.  I never understood how someone could sit on their ass and get a paycheck when they could be cleaning up trash in the local park or highway.

#2895 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 467 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
misterID wrote:

We'll see who steps up. America is not a leader anymore.


Because Trump pulled us out of a non binding deal that wasn't in our country's best interest?  No one is saying that we should start dumping sewage into our rivers or go back to burning high sulfur coal. But your boy Obama tried to prevent us from becoming more energy independent by halting keystone and thinking he could permanently end drilling off Alaska.

Let's see what alternative he offers before we cry the sky is falling. Europe loved Obama, even as he advocated "we lead from behind" (like that's a thing). Not a single European country can tell us to fuck off. They still need us a hell of a lot more than we need them. Especially since we subsidize their collapsing welfare state through our defense spending.

I for one think his comments that he was elected to support the people of Pittsburgh and not Paris were outstanding. It's nice to have a leader who values his own citizens more than the editorial board of The NY Times.

Sure...it's nice to say things that sound good in the moment that amount to nothing but hollow words.

And I love that gross over simplification about why obama opposed the keystone.

Let's not forget about the 12 shit paying jobs it produced. Probably $25k/year jobs.

All the while some fat piece of shit in a New York high rise whose hands are softer than a baby's butt makes millions while America becomes "energy independent"

Now that's 'Murcia

ID is right, America is no longer a leader. Not just because trump left the agreement...it's because Trump isn't respected by other world leaders. If you think coercion and strong arming is leadership, then keep defending him.


I just don't see any other leader stepping up.  They're all too small and they're already doing what Trump is proposing - working in their bests interests.  Europe is only relevant as a standard bearer of human comfort and civility.  They're only desirable because in their major cities, it's quite comfortable and cultured.  I can't think of any other city so docile and refined as Paris.  It's a world class city that still has its own culture and isn't a concrete jungle like NYC or Hong Kong.  France's buying power is in the top 5, so of course smaller nations want to enter business partnerships and diplomacy with them.  But they're not a military power to be feared or an economy so powerful it can single handedly swing the balance of power. 

Regardless of your opposition to it, force projection is what keeps the world in line.  It's why China isn't taking over other countries.  It's why until Obama, Russia refused to provoke the US and the world order.   Right or wrong, the war in Iraq proved our force projection.  It accomplished what Vietnam didn't and embarrassed us for.  We, along with support from Britain and Australia, our closest allies, completely decimated an entire nation from their military, government and economy and rebuilt them to stability.  Iraq didn't completely fall after Barry pulled out, but it created ISIS and destabilized their entire country.  Obama objectively weakened our force projection and as a direct result, the world has suffered because he wasn't a leader.  He was an academic.  He relegated himself to the same status as Merkel or May, to the detriment of world order.

If you think any action is going to come from this from the rest of the world, you're wrong.  I didn't agree with Trump's airstrike in Syria.  I still don't.  But it accomplished the goal of telling the world that Obama is gone.  America will punch you in the fucking mouth if you fuck around.  That there are consequences for bad behavior.  Slapping sanctions and giving speeches resonates with the comfortable public.  The people that pretend America isn't a sheep dog in a field of wolves and sheep. 

So no, I don't see someone else stepping up.  Passionate speeches with no action behind them isn't leadership.  It's talk.  We had 8 years of that and the bad guys knew it.  Trump may be a fucking goofball, but there's not a single thing you can claim he's doing that he doesn't thoughtfully believe to be in the best interest of America, even at the detriment to other countries.  The EU will role their eyes, but they'll attend the fucking dinners, shake hands and make sure they don't bite the hand that not only feeds it, but keeps it safe.

#2896 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 467 weeks ago

misterID wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
misterID wrote:

Really, as someone who adores history to my own detriment sometimes, it is really sad to see what FDR to Reagan helped build, as The American President is no longer the leader of the free world.

I don't get Trump's obsessive adoration for Steve Bannon.


He's not?  Who replaced him?

We'll see who steps up. America is not a leader anymore.


Because Trump pulled us out of a non binding deal that wasn't in our country's best interest?  No one is saying that we should start dumping sewage into our rivers or go back to burning high sulfur coal. But your boy Obama tried to prevent us from becoming more energy independent by halting keystone and thinking he could permanently end drilling off Alaska.

Let's see what alternative he offers before we cry the sky is falling. Europe loved Obama, even as he advocated "we lead from behind" (like that's a thing). Not a single European country can tell us to fuck off. They still need us a hell of a lot more than we need them. Especially since we subsidize their collapsing welfare state through our defense spending.

I for one think his comments that he was elected to support the people of Pittsburgh and not Paris were outstanding. It's nice to have a leader who values his own citizens more than the editorial board of The NY Times.

#2897 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 467 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

Really, as someone who adores history to my own detriment sometimes, it is really sad to see what FDR to Reagan helped build, as The American President is no longer the leader of the free world.

I don't get Trump's obsessive adoration for Steve Bannon.


He's not?  Who replaced him?

#2898 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 467 weeks ago

https://www.yahoo.com/news/clinton-slam … 05881.html

I needed a good laugh. Trump worked with Russia to force Posesta to be a retarded grandmother and give up his password. But like SLC says, I'm a liar and fabricated this entire article in my mind. Though that means SLC is just a figment of my imagination, so does that make me his God?

#2899 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 467 weeks ago

misterID wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:

Look. Nothing happened to Hillary and we had proof and Shit. There are less facts with this case and so far less wrong doing. So it it plausible to believe HRC did nothing wrong shouldn't you feel the same about Trump?

You do know she was cleared twice and that Comey was fooled by fake Russian documents, right? And I haven't said he is guilty, though. I'm looking at the stupidity of his campaign and his stupidity in the aftermath.

I think he's mentally and emotionally unfit to be president. That's why I want him out. I think his ignorance and incompetence is dangerous to our economy, our planet's health and our national security.


You don't know that.  That's my biggest grievance with your line of thought.  You accept any article or story that paints Trump as negative as fact.  You don't know what impact that memo had on Comey.  You don't know if it was fake.  You want to believe any story that the media generates about Trump.  Hillary wasn't corrupt or incompetent.  She doesn't suffer from blood clots or seizures.  All manufactured attack jobs to keep the glass ceiling from being broken. 

But Trump paid prostitutes to piss on a bed Obama slept in.  He hates America and worked with Putin.  Maher has said it best.  The left takes Trump literally but not seriously.  The right takes him seriously but not literally.  Trump didn't advocate Russia hack Hillary.  She hid 30k emails that her and her staff deemed irrelevant.  They never turned them over.  They claimed there was no wrong doing.  We know all of that was horseshit.  I don't want to rehash the email saga because it was boring and frankly I don't give a fuck.  But you make these wild accusations you know are untrue or you defy common sense to make a point.  Russia never even compromised Hillary's server (that we know of).  Trump made a joke because Queen Hillary hadn't done a press conference in 6 months and tried to argue that the same person who took money from half the people she met with, repeatedly lied (sniper, emails, benghazi to name an objective few) and fixed the primary was perfectly capable and objective enough to decide what information was relevant and what wasn't. 

You had no problem with any of this, and still argue Comey didn't say Clinton broke the law.  No, what he said was he wasn't going to prosecute because they never would have gotten a conviction due to the lawyers Clinton would have had and it wouldn't have been resolved for years.  So rather than follow that principle, you're all too eager to make assumptions that because someone met with someone CNN told you was a bad person, create a story about what happened behind closed doors without a single piece of evidence to support your conclusion.  Classified emails were recovered.  The footage of her never taking fire were released.  The intel from Benghazi has been made public.  The DNC leaks showed how her team coordinated with both the media and DNC to control the narrative.  Hillary was under investigation too (and she still might be) but she had no problem making numerous statements denying she was under investigation. 

But Trump is the evil fucking goon here.  You're making assumptions and accepting narratives as fact without any evidence to do so.

I totally agree with you he's a bad fit for the office.  He doesn't understand diplomacy.  It's why I didn't vote for him.  But you're trying to justify or associate that dislike with unproven and unsubstantiated allegations about illegal activity.  And let's be completely honest.  There's no way he can do a worse job than Obama when it comes to foreign affairs.  ISIS, refugees and all the chaos in the ME are entirely due to Obama's dovey/academic/naive understanding of the world.  No one gave a fuck about or feared Obama.  He was a well spoken and intelligent man with no real accomplishments.  Certainly none in government.  At least Trump turned 100 Million dollars into Billions and is one of the most well known and respected real estate tycoons in History.

#2900 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 467 weeks ago

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- … reelection

Even Bloomberg recognizes Democrats haven't learned their playbook of yelling racist, bigotry and mysogony won't win over voters.

Maybe after 2018 the Bernie crowd will abandon the DNC and sanity will return restoring our two party system. Trump purged the jesus heads from the GOP table. Who will save the Dems from the occupy crowd?

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