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#21 Re: Guns N' Roses » Josh Freese on Axl and Chinese Democracy » 846 weeks ago
If I quoted your whole post I don't know what difference it would make, you're still saying the same thing.
I'll explain this to you one more time...
The paragraph, that you took the quote from, was originally gonna be posted on another thread, and it was was directed at FANS POSTING NEWS ARTICLES IN WHICH FORMER MEMBERS/ASSOCIATES OF GNR ARE SAYING SOMETHING NICE ABOUT AXL, it's usually done in an effort to make others question the believability of stories by other former members/associates. It has nothing to do with Axl convincing Freese to do anything.
And the reason I take exception with you picking my words apart, is because the very next sentence I said that fans who side with the former original members do the same thing, are also wrong for doing so, and that it's unfair to use the experiences people have had with these guys, when those experiences were under very different circumstances and situations, but you leave that out because you wanna paint this little picture of me being a biased Slash fan who wants to blame Axl for every little fucking thing.
If you still don't get it... Whatever.
#22 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash to Axl: "Whatever, Dude." » 846 weeks ago
I'm not a law student, I'm an Echocardiographer. This is just an old discussion, the names of the participants change, but the argument, for the most part, stays the same.
#23 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash to Axl: "Whatever, Dude." » 846 weeks ago
AtariLegend, did you say that Slash SAYS, IMPLIES, SUGGESTS, ELUDES TO, or INSINUATES that Axl is to blame every time he does an interview...
Yes or No?
AtariLegend, was that claim an exaggeration...
Yes or No?
AtariLegend, did you SAY, IMPLY, SUGGEST, ELUDE TO, or INSINUATE that I was making up the claim that you posted that Slash SAYS, IMPLIES, SUGGESTS, ELUDES TO, or INSINUATES that Axl is to blame, when you posted the smug request for the quote of you posting that...
Yes or No?
Why did I post those links? Because you said Slash blames Axl more than Axl blames slash. 6 blatant attacks on Slash by Axl, in just 12 or 13 opportunities, is no small amount. Post 6 interviews, of the possibly 1000 interviews Slash has done since he left GnR, where Slash completely trashes Axl as an artist and a human being. Axl was trashing Slash when Slash was still in the fucking band, because of his guest work.
Ya know, I'm done, forget it, I proved my point, all you wanna do is talk in circles, and I have registry exams I need to study for... You posted a lie, I busted ya for it, go ahead and have your last word if it makes you feel like you just won something, I don't care... WHATEVER... I'm done.
#24 Re: Guns N' Roses » Josh Freese on Axl and Chinese Democracy » 846 weeks ago
Loaded Revolver wrote:Let's not bullshit anyone here, these interviews are posted as an attempt to discredit what the original band members have said about Axl
So Axl convinced "Josh Freese" and "Billboard" to do this interview?
When I read this story, it was on the thread "Josh Freese Defends Axl", my post was actually gonna be posted on THAT thread, but then I saw the link to this thread, and added the first paragraph in response to the poster I was replying to on this thread.
The part you chose to quote, that was actually a general response to people on the internet posting interviews by past members and/or associates of the band.
You really make shit up in that head of yours, huh?:rolleyes:
#25 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash to Axl: "Whatever, Dude." » 846 weeks ago
As for saying basically, I know it means, that's why I said it.
I don't think ya do, basically and imply don't mean the same thing.
What difference does it make, you got busted in a ridiculous lie, and it's there for people to read. And then you have the balls to call Slash a liar.
I never denied Axl blamed Slash.
Point out where I said you did? You did say Slash does it a lot more than Axl... Well 6 out of 12 or so interviews on HTGTH has not just Axl blaming Slash, but saying some truly vile things about Slash, something that has been going on for 10 years, and something that Slash has never done to Axl. And your claim that most fans side with Slash is questionable... When I was on the 2000 Intentions board back in 2000/2001, I and many other Slash fans was regularly attacked by Axl fans, not only that, there is a large number of Axl fans on the VR board, who spend their time there trashing Slash, as we speak, so please spare people the horseshit.
#26 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash to Axl: "Whatever, Dude." » 846 weeks ago
He still said it, I don't know what posting the rest of that interview proves.
Whether he says he doesn't want or like to talk about it or not, he still says it.
Oh so you got me, you found that 1 interview I asked for, do you feel vindicated or something? The main point of the discussion is that you claimed Slash does that in every single interview, which is an exaggeration... But instead of just saying it was an exaggeration, you insinuated I was fabricating it by asking for a quote, and then tried to weasel out of it with a ridiculous attempt of playing a word game not realizing the word you chose doesn't change what you claimed.
And posting the entire interview would have been at odds with the picture you try to paint of Slash... He was asked a question on a topic, he was noted to be reluctant to talk about, and gave an answer. Not only that, but it gives context... The interviewer asked Slash about the GnR no shows and walk offs and late shows, what was Slash blaming Axl for? Not to mention it's an edited interview, where words can and often are changed and other assorted bullshit.... To the contrary, Axl's attacks on Slash were either in official GnR press releases, prefabricated mock interviews conducted by close personal friends, or conducted on live tv for the whole world to hear, where is the possibility for misquotes and editorial liberties?
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/arti … ticleid=28
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/arti … ticleid=37
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/arti … ticleid=82
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/arti … icleid=150
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/arti … icleid=169
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/arti … icleid=168
The above links are interviews/press releases posted there, where Axl is trashing Slash in some way... Of all the Axl interviews posted on there from between 1999 and 2009, as God is my witness I left out maybe 5 or 6... And it wasn't so much because Axl didn't trash Slash, it was more because Axl wasn't even asked about Slash in those interviews! For someone who has been really quiet the last 10 years, that is remarkable since you say SLASH does all the trash talking in every interview he does. That is like a 50% rate, that rate is even higher if you don't count the interviews he wasn't even asked about Slash, that is just pathetic. You're whole argument is bullshit.
#27 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash to Axl: "Whatever, Dude." » 846 weeks ago
Loaded Revolver wrote:And the difference is? If you imply something, that just means you're saying something without coming right out and saying it
Agreed, but what about the rest of the post...
I'm not gonna let you just gloss over what you did, you're a fricken liar, and displayed your lack of credibility.
As far as the rest of your post, do you mean....
During our conversation, you've been reluctant to even say the words Guns N' Roses. Do you have any regrets?
I feel bad about all the people who got ripped off by Guns N' Roses.
You mean the no-shows, late performances and bad shows?
You know what I mean by that. The fans were so f---ing great. They embraced us, and a band couldn't have asked for more, and we let them down.
Do you blame [lead singer] Axl Rose, or do you take some of the blame yourself?
I would be a total assh--e if I didn't put some of the blame on me. But I'm not responsible for the band breaking up. I worked too hard, for too long, trying to keep things together. I don't like to blame Axl either. He seems to be the scapegoat for everything.
So Axl isn't to blame?
Nobody involved with Guns wants to blame Axl, but there's no one else to blame. That's a tough one.
I don't respect people who feel the need to be deceptive to try making their point. I'll say this, big fucking deal, you found A interview where Slash blames Axl, it hardly makes up for the fact that you grossly exaggerated the claim that Slash blames him in every interview, and then lied about doing so, or the fact that you needed to be deceptive regarding that above interview, since the interviewer notes that Slash didn't wanna talk GnR. What is it that pisses you off the most, the fact that every now and then Slash comments on it, or that it's the truth? You guys love making it Axl vs. Slash, but it's Axl's side vs. Slash, Izzy, Duff, and Matt's sides.
P.S.
Slash NEVER changed his story about going to Axl's house, someone else in VR said the story was bullshit, Slash only released on statement about it, and said he was there to end a legal dispute with him.
#28 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash to Axl: "Whatever, Dude." » 846 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:Loaded Revolver wrote:Here ya go...
15th post on the first page of this very thread!
Atari Legend, you better bring your A game, you are getting it handed to you right now.
When I say basically it means, not literally, but clearly implying.
And the difference is? If you imply something, that just means you're saying something without coming right out and saying it, it still amounts to you claiming Slash blames Axl for everything, and that he does it in every interview where the topic comes up. You've gotta be kidding me! 
And Axl's fans are hardly his harshest critics... They are his biggest enablers. The guy gets free passes on a wide range of things, be it riots, be it no showing gigs, be it beating up a woman, be it his own culpability in what happened to the original band, or be it his ridiculous rants about the old band.
#29 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Slash to Axl: "Whatever, Dude." » 846 weeks ago
It isn't about taking sides, for me, I think both sides are guilty of destroying that band. It's about honesty, and to a lesser degree accountability.
You have a person posting an exaggeration, then reiterates it on another post, then when called out on the fact that it's an exaggeration they lie about ever posting it. To date he still hasn't produced evidence of his claim, except a sound bite with an unknown context.
I have my opinions of Axl, which were mostly formed as a result of the hit pieces he has done on Slash, stuff that, by all accounts of how Slash is, are obvious lies and exaggerations... Unless of course you think Slash is really showing up at GnR shows with his guitar. I take exception to someone having a prefabricated interview, where he runs down someone else, for the sake of trying to sell an album that simply isn't selling the way it should have. None of that matters in this case though.
#30 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Unseen Erin Everly photos » 846 weeks ago
I don't think Stanley was right from any standpoint. The album didn't really take off until Sweet Child was released, there was buzz before that, but Sweet Child sold that album, they had the fluffy hit song on the album to sell it, but from a business standpoint the band would have been forgotten if they turned the rest of the album into an 80's cock rock album. Sweet Child made the album #1 for a few weeks, Jungle, It's So Easy, Night Train, Out Ta Get Me, Brownstone, Paradise City, My Michelle, Think About You, You're Crazy, Anything Goes, and Rocket Queen made the album a classic rock must have for the past 20 years... Those songs are what has kept that album selling a minimum of 10 thousand copies a year for the past 20 years.
Kiss was a makeup wearing, tongue shaped soap on a rope selling gimmick, that put on a great live show, featuring mediocre music with some of the lamest, tackiest, cheesiest lyrics ever written.
If Stanley had his way, we wouldn't be talking about GnR right now, nearly 22 years after the release of Appetite. GnR would have been a "Flavor of the Month" opening act for Kiss on their Crazy Nights tour, like a million other LA bands in the 80's.
