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#3031 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 476 weeks ago
No, I'm saying you're acting like a baby. I'm not required to do anything. I'm not required to supply you with anything. We can all look at a subject, voice our opinions, argue, debate, dick around and move on. We believe or not. We do not site incredible sources. You just made an ass out of yourself making this "mother Jones" argument when it was a WSJ article. We do not demand every single topic have to meet your specific criteria of evidence or else you're going to spam the board with childish tripe.
You stated your entire argument is based on your faith, and I'm the child. Thanks for letting me know you've acknowledged your contributions are not meant to provoke thought or debate, but cement a public expression of your divine knowledge.
I didn't make an ass out of myself. I asked for a source because he didn't provide one. No other major outlet is running the story. None at the time I post this. And the article says that Democrats and Reoublicans rejected the offer. That could mean his information is worth shit. Or it could mean they don't need him. If it's the latter, why have none of them come forward with that Intel Flynn has?
That no other outlet is running the story, leads me to believe it probably means he has nothing of value. And in this partisan atmosphere it means no Democrat has the smoking gun SLC and now you are implying has big implications incriminating Trump or his campaign.
That's how the powers of deduction work. You're free to disagree, but you don't get to fool yourself into thinking you've offered an intelligent analysis. That you get angry and change the topic because your opinion is indefensible at an intellectual level isn't lost on me.
Just like it's not lost on me SLC has ran away and refused to defend his attack on me once again.
Maybe Buzz was right all along, and I gave you all too much credit.
#3032 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 476 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:misterID wrote:We need to establish no evidence and refusing to consider ANY evidence. There's plenty of evidence. It's kind of fitting that a right wing parrot keeps repeating the same thing over and over...
Says the guy who's repeating far left talking points and can't point to any evidence to support his fantasy.
The second anyone comes forward from the intel committees or intelligence agencies and says "I have proof and will be sharing said information immediately with my peers before alerting the public" I'll eagerly listen. If Trump worked with Russia, he should be shot. But MO ONE has done that. McCain explicitly said there's no evidence supporting claims Trump coordinated with Russia. You continue to "know" what really happened in the same way my mom knows my dad is in heaven watching over her.
I don't want a dossier dropped at my feet. I want a single credible person, including Schiff, to come forward and say "I found the evidence". I don't want a bunch of internet Sleuths playing Colombo or James Brown talking about how racist Trump is while linking her campaign fund saying she'll impeach him and not offer a single objective reason why.
That's all any of you are doing at this point. No different than the idiots who screamed Benghazi or birth certificate for 8 years.
When did I repeat left wing talking points? It was reported, by journalists I trust, that there was a group of FBI agents within the agency called Trumpland. It was then reported that they were close with Guliani. Rudy went on FOX bragging something BIG was going to drop. It did and was reported it was those FBI agents pushing it.
You can choose not to believe it, but you cannot tell us what we need to believe or decide what's universally credible for everyone. That's what you need to cut out.
What does this have to do with Trump working with Russia? Are you saying these agents worked with Russia to disseminate information? Are you saying the FBI knew Russia was going to release information, and innapropriately shared it with Giuliani?
Or are you saying the FBI had acquired information and leaked it themselves?
All of those require some external claim to support them.
You can believe whomever you want. You can consider a homeless schizophrenic a credible source. What you can't do is provide sources that aren't credentialed or don't adhere to basic journalistic standards and demand others consider their uncorroborated claims as fact. I could post an exclusive article from infowars, and claim that it's credible, but I can't expect you to engage in that intellectual fraud.
And you can't take individual unsubstantiated claims from numerous sources and create an entirely new argument based on those unsubstantiated claims and demand others accept it without question.
You can claim Jesus was the son of god all day long and "know" it to be true. But you don't get to claim you've intelligently argued its truth when your entire argument revolves around faith.
I'm pretty sure my sisters friend wants to fuck me. Accept my faith it's true.
#3033 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 476 weeks ago
We need to establish no evidence and refusing to consider ANY evidence. There's plenty of evidence. It's kind of fitting that a right wing parrot keeps repeating the same thing over and over...
Says the guy who's repeating far left talking points and can't point to any evidence to support his fantasy.
The second anyone comes forward from the intel committees or intelligence agencies and says "I have proof and will be sharing said information immediately with my peers before alerting the public" I'll eagerly listen. If Trump worked with Russia, he should be shot. But NO ONE has done that. McCain explicitly said there's no evidence supporting claims Trump coordinated with Russia. You continue to "know" what really happened in the same way my mom knows my dad is in heaven watching over her.
I don't want a dossier dropped at my feet. I want a single credible person, including Schiff, to come forward and say "I found the evidence". I don't want a bunch of internet Sleuths playing Colombo or James Brown talking about how racist Trump is while linking her campaign fund saying she'll impeach him and not offer a single objective reason why.
That's all any of you are doing at this point. No different than the idiots who screamed Benghazi or birth certificate for 8 years.
#3034 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 476 weeks ago
The investigation into Russian collusion/meddling has only intensified. Clinton Watts told the Senate Intelligence Committee that Russia interfered in the general as well as the primary election. Flynn is now trying to offer testimony so he doesn't go to prison, and Flagg still calls it all a conspiracy.
Seriously...
Answer the question
#3035 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 476 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:misterID wrote:What did Trump say after that? Come on, you can do it.
Please explain the evidence of Trump working with Russia. Don't ignore the point none of you can defend.
I'm going to respond to everything SLC says until he answers. He made a claim. Defend it. This is the new MO. Argue until backed into a corner then switch to something different. Obama didn't wiretap Trump. We're all in agreement. So please back to the wild claims of Trump being in bed with Putin.
You want me to quote Trump after he stepped in shit? He actually refused to answer any questions about his claims. I think he's in the tank with Russia. You want physical evidence produced on your doorstep for anything you don't like. No one has an obligation to you, RF. If you disagree, disagree, don't be a child about it. I have no evidence Rudy collaborated with the FBI to leak Hillary info when he bragged before hand something big was about to drop... I just know he did.
You don't know anything. You have faith in a conspiracy. That's the problem. But kudos for finally admitting there is no evidence. That's a huge step. But no one owes you the convenience of operating in your self admitted fictional reality.
#3036 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 476 weeks ago
Where did the article say Trump worked or coordinated with Russia? That's what you believe and continually argue. So tell me what I'm cherry picking and what I'm ignoring from that article that gives any suggestion Trump's campaign was coordinating with Russia?
I asked you this last time an article came up, and you ignored it. Show me where I'm wrong.
"The op-ed would not have mentioned whether the FBI was investigating Donald Trump’s campaign workers or others close to him for links to the Russians’ interference in the election, a second source with knowledge of the request tells Newsweek."
Answer it
I won't how it against you for attacking me. It's what you do.
#3037 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 476 weeks ago
misterID wrote:Just Google Mike Flynn. Karma, it is a bitch.
It's delicious...Flagg back to Hillary supporter in 3...2...
Answer the question.
#3038 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 476 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:Quit being disingenuous. No one is claiming Obama spied on Trump.
They're not? That's funny.
Randall Flagg wrote:Comey wanted to inform us that Russia was actively working to impact our election by smearing Clinton.
Yes, but you're leaving out the other half of that equation. You're cherry picking that,and ignoring the rest of the article. You must accept the information in its entirety, not just what you like.
Randall Flagg wrote:There's a difference between being a skeptic and someone who will believe anything about someone they dislike. You clearly fall into the latter, and all your diversions and interpretations of others opinions doesn't change that.
Again. Make a point without personally talking about me, Mitch, Snow, ID...whoever. You're incapable of doing that. You constantly misquote articles, posters you disagree with and even yourself when needed.
Quoted so SLC can't ignore this. Answer the question.
#3039 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 476 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:slcpunk wrote:There you go again, always trying to change the subject....Flagg is more interested in talking about posters and insulting them because he's weak on facts.
Conspiracy? His administration is currently under investigation. No conclusion has been made yet, but all things point to some sort of collusion with Russia. It's only getting worse and worse.
So either Obama spied on Trump, or Obama didn't do anything about it when Comey wanted to inform us about Trump. Which one is it?
Quit being disingenuous. No one is claiming Obama spied on Trump.
What did Trump say after that? Come on, you can do it.
Please explain the evidence of Trump working with Russia. Don't ignore the point none of you can defend.
I'm going to respond to everything SLC says until he answers. He made a claim. Defend it. This is the new MO. Argue until backed into a corner then switch to something different. Obama didn't wiretap Trump. We're all in agreement. So please back to the wild claims of Trump being in bed with Putin.
#3040 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 476 weeks ago
What is your source on that Flynn claim? Is this another Mother Jones source? Nothing on Drudge, Fox, MSNBC or CNN. Nothing on the NYT or WP.
None of these credible sources have a mention of this. And you're already sold. Do you not see a problem in your confidence?
Edit: looks like it originated from the WSJ, but the full article is behind a paywall for me. It's interesting that Democrats and Republicans have declined said offer for immunity. You'd think if Flynn had anything to offer someone would be interested, especially if it's harmful to Trump. I'm excited to see where this goes.
