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#3051 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 477 weeks ago

misterID wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
misterID wrote:

14 Hilarious, your man is a pussy liar. Shiff is the co chair of the House Intelligence Committee. Nunes is the partisan hack, and liar supporter.

There is no co-chair. There is only one chairman. yikeslolroll316:duff::P:flame::D:frank::izzy::love:

Shiff is the ranking member, and Mccain still says your man is a pussy (grabbing) liar, paraphrasing, as Obama never wiretapped him. And stop lying and brow beating Mitch with your lies.

McCain: ""It's a bizarre situation, and what I think, the reason why I'm calling for this select committee or a special committee, is I think that this back-and-forth and what the American people have found out so far that no longer does the congress have credibility to handle this alone,"

Now back to your right wing fluffing smile


Dude, just get over yourself. Read what I fucking posted. Mitch said McCain claimed congress has no credibility. That's not what McCain fucking said. He bitches about Nunes and Schiff and called for a special committee because congress ALONE doesn't have the credibility, solely because of what Schiff and Nunes are doing.

And what is Schiff doing?  Saying the same retarded shit you and the other barking dogs are saying. McCain said there's nothing true to that.

But how fucking convenient you ignore and leave out the part where McCain calls you a dipshit.

And he's not even calling on a committee to investigate Trump. Which is what you want it to fucking be. It's a committee to find out what really happened with Russia's attempt to influence the election. Not to investigate Trump.

Get the fuck over yourself.

#3052 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 477 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

McCain says congress has no more credibility in its investigation. I am inclined to agree.

That's not what he said. He said the House Intel Committee has no credibility because of Nunez and Schiff.

Please don't spread Mother Jones talking points. Actually read or watch what he said.

#3053 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 477 weeks ago

misterID wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

Nothing to see hear folks. Let Shiff continue to play connect the dots without reprisal. And FYI, he's not the fucking co-chair. He's the partisan shill milking his 15 minutes of time. His accusations and comments toward Comey about this giant conspiracy should be held and he should be charged with slander.

14 Hilarious, your man is a pussy liar. Shiff is the co chair of the House Intelligence Committee. Nunes is the partisan hack, and liar supporter.

There is no co-chair. There is only one chairman. yikeslolroll316:duff::P:flame::D:frank::izzy::love:

#3054 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 477 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

I'm really lost here.

RF & SG what is your vindication?   Are you saying Trump was right, he was wiretapped?   Or, are you saying Nunes said the investigation didn't indict Trump, and he's in the clear.  Admittedly I'm not locked in on the news, sorta doing other things and passively checking whats going on. To me, Nunes is saying 'There is an investigation, and Trumps cohorts did come up in the investigation" which to me, sure isn't good news for him.  Not that he's going to prison or anything, but it just isn't good news.


Trump is an idiot. Let's get that out front. No denying it. But I give him leeway in his comment, as he clarified it wasn't him, but his aides who were monitored. He did say Obama wiretapped him, which he clearly didn't, but all the agencies report to him.

So while it's a stupid thing to say, the intent behind it, the federal government under Obama, listened in on calls from his team. 

This appears to be true and no one they were listening to has been proven to have done anything wrong. 

I have no issue with the NSA monitoring foreign officials. That's their job. But when a US citizen is on the line, the law requires them to stop recording unless they have a warrant. What Nunez stated, was that these tapes were kept and passed around the agencies for shits and grins.

If these guys did something wrong or they had a Fisa warrant to listen in, go for it.  But if they had a fisa warrant on any of Trump's people, that's something the public should know.

So far no one has said Trump or anyone on his team coordinated anything with Russia. So he's vindicated until someone in a position of knowledge comes forward saying they have actual evidence otherwise.

So yes, it looks like Trump's team was "wiretapped", but as Nunez said, it was routine business with no malice or ill will. Trump's people talked legally with foreign contacts, and because we bug everyone to include Merkel, they got recorded. And agents passed around the tapes giggling at the idiots. 

I just think the term "investigation" is being implied to have a bigger meaning than it actually has.

#3055 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 477 weeks ago

Nothing to see hear folks. Let Shiff continue to play connect the dots without reprisal. And FYI, he's not the fucking co-chair. He's the partisan shill milking his 15 minutes of time. His accusations and comments toward Comey about this giant conspiracy should be held and he should be charged with slander.

#3056 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 477 weeks ago

bigbri wrote:

I guess if you are talking with the enemy, you'll end up in U.S. surveillance. I mean, that's what it's for, right? To see who our enemies are talking to?


This is a great point.  Whether or not Manafort did anything illegal (I assume he did, but admittedly don't know enough about money laundering laws to say definitively) is why "Trump is under investigation."  Comey said the team has been under investigation since July, a month before Trump fired Manafort.  I don't think it unreasonable to assume the FBI was a few steps ahead of Manafort in realizing he was fucked.  So if Manafort, whom worked for/with Russian interests years before being brought on to "manage" Trump's campaign, did something shady, the FBI would be derelict in its duties to not verify that no one else connected to Trump was doing anything illegal. 

We know Manafort was a sleaze, so this isn't anything new.  But to claim that his behavior that occurred well before working for Trump somehow shows Trump collaborated with Putin, is a huge jump of which there is no evidence to support.  It certainly shows Trump had a very poor vetting of some of his confidants (Flynn is another great example), and criticizing Trump for whom he associates with is fair game.  Just as it was fair game to criticize Obama for whom he associated with, just as it was fair to criticize Clinton from whom she associated with.

#3057 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 477 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

NOTHING TO SEE HERE, lol


I'm waiting for our fact checkers to weasle out, saying 'Trump is a liar because OBAMA didn't order him tapped.'

Then completely miss that Manafort isn't Trump and they have nothing to suggest Trump told Manafort to launder money.

Barking dogs. Nothing more.

#3059 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 477 weeks ago

What does any of that have to do with Trump working with Russia?  I'm seriously asking what you gain from that article that makes you think "this is more evidence Trump worked with Putin".

If you're not saying that and just posted an article about a former Trump official being relieved after it was discovered he probably took money illegally from an organization he had questionable ties to long before working with Trump, I apologize.

#3060 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 477 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

I'm sure Donald thinks the same.

Randall Flagg wrote:

No, I'm saying the term investigation isn't a dirty word that implies reasonable suspicion of wrong doing. We know Russia hacked the DNC. We know Putin released info to damage Clinton's image.

The FBI "investigates" everything that comes across their desks. Then they end an investigation and either contact the DoJ to get an arrest warrant or they close the file.

What SLC said and what you seem to agree with, is that the mere presence of an investigation means there exists some level of evidence to warrant said investigation. That's not how it works.

I know I was investigated by the FBI. I had a Top Secret clearance. So if I ever ran for office, you could say "Flagg was investigated by the FBI for inappropriate contact with foreign agents."  That'd totally be a correct statement. It doesn't mean the FBI at any point believed I was actually colluding with a foreign agent.

That's nowhere near the same. You had a background check, not investigated for colluding with an enemy nation.

How can the FBI have an opinion one way or the other without investigating?  Your cognitive dissonance on this is absurd and entirely partisan.

How many times does Comey have to say to not take his "no comment" and indication of wrong doing, before you get it?

You can join SLC and claim Bush was behind 9/11, going full retard. Or you can actually find a single credible person saying there's evidence to suspect Trump colluded with Russia.

I'm not going to keep arguing with your fan fiction. It's a shame you guys drove off half the posters on this forum with your rabid circle jerks because your preferred candidate lost.

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