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#3121 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 480 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
mitchejw wrote:

I'm sitting here trying to find a reason to argue...other than the stupid ass wall....

Then I realized that this shit was proposed under Obama and in back to thinking...hypocrisy


Maybe because Obama didn't want to do anything about anchor babies

Or it would require overturning or rewriting the 14th Ammendment.

It would?  When did anchor babies gain US Citizenship?  Was it decided by a court case or was it decided by Lyndon Johnson in the 1960s?  This is the problem.  The left pushes the false narrative that the 14th amendment somehow grants citizenship to anyone born on US soil.  No court has ever ruled that this is how the 14th amendment is interpreted (Wong dealt with the children of legal residents) and "anchor babies" didn't receive citizenship until Johnson decided to do it that way in the 1960s.  All congress would have to do is pass a bill establishing new citizenship guidelines.  SCOTUS would be hard pressed (as well as any rational person) to interpret the meaning behind the 14th Amendment as granting citizenship to people who illegally enter our country instead of ensuring citizenship to former slaves and their children in the Reconstruction Era South.

#3122 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 480 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:

Do this and build the wall I am good. I have many illegals I would love to sponsor so they can get a tax ID and live here peacefully. This is very important and can win over the Hispanic vote for years to come. WE NEED THEM HERE.

I'm sitting here trying to find a reason to argue...other than the stupid ass wall....

Then I realized that this shit was proposed under Obama and in back to thinking...hypocrisy


Maybe because Obama didn't want to do anything about anchor babies or thought people committing felonies shouldn't be targets for deportation.  But why get into the details of a proposal.  You still seem to think any of the nonsense Bernie put forward was remotely realistic.

#3123 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 480 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Trump to possibly announce an immigration plan which may discuss a path to legalization and a path to citizenship for dreamers tonight at his address.


I'm onboard with this as long as they include a clause to not grant citizenship to any children born of parents on US soil whom are here illegally.  Fix this loophole, and the sob stories about "breaking up families" (never mind their children have dual citizenship and can return with their parent(s)) comes to an end.

#3124 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 480 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

It's fun to call news sources fake when you don't like what they report...


It's a joke, killer.

#3126 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

None of us know if Yemen was a fuck up.

Surely House Republicans will call for an investigation.

I never supported the Benghazi bullshit. I was upset that they lied and blamed it on a bullshit YouTube video, but the ambassador was warned and stayed.  If they realistically thought the marines could have helped, they should have been sent regardless if they believed some marines may die. But that wasn't the case, so casually sending armed marines into a civilian force with no chance of rescuing the Americans, was the right call. Hillary can't be faulted for the State department's response on Benghazi.

But our embassy being taken over is a hell of a lot more severe and concerning than any soldier dying in a combat mission. How many soldiers died last year?  Do you even know?  It happens fairly regularly even now, and there's no big story about it. That's what soldiers do in war. They kill and harm others while being killed and harmed.

None of us know the details of the operation. So assuming it is something worth of an investigation reaks of political opportunism rather than real concern. If McCain and others on the Armed Services committee have information the entire operation was flawed and somehow illegal, they should investigate. But losing lives and injuries is part of the military's job. There's no one doing it not aware of the risks.

#3127 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago

And the parents of those killed in Benghazi all came out against Hillary. Cindy Sheehan came out against Bush. It's almost as if parents who lose their child in war might be emotional about it.  None of us know if Yemen was a fuck up. The death of Soldiers shouldn't be politicized. I can't think of one person I served with who said "if I get clipped out here, please make sure my parents or spouse are interviewed for their political positions."

They lost a child. The worst thing a parent can endure. Their son was spec ops, who knew what he was up against and gladly served his country in that capacity.

#3128 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

There was no way Ellison was going to win.

I still firmly believe we need a separate DNC like a DCC Democratic Centrists Counsel to concentrate on the South, Rustbelt and Midwest for moderates, centrists and conservative democrats. Coastal elites and left wingers need to stay the fuck out of these areas/races.

He was only 14 votes off from getting it first round. Then the mayor guy you liked dropped out, and Ellison's team falsely alerted everyone he had thrown his support behind him. They retracted it, but that's some shady shit right there.

That's how close the DNC came to being taken over by the Sanders/Warren wing.  Way too close for comfort. Now they have a reasonable chair, while still progressive, who will be able to help the party get back on track as the advocate of the working class instead of the special snowflake crowd. If Trump continues to prattle off like a drunk fratboy, the opposition will have real, qualified candidates instead of angry morons trying to find offense at every word.

#3129 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago

Thank god Perez won. That was too close for comfort. Smart move making Ellison his deputy. Keeps the Bernie crowd from going full retard on their own. They'll be good foot soldiers like the tea party was for the RNC.

#3130 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
PaSnow wrote:

Gay Marriage - leave it up to the states
Abortion - leave it up to the states
Healthcare - leave it up to the states
Education - leave it up to the states
Marijuana - Illegal on a National level and let's start cracking down on it.


Abortion - legal at the federal level via Roe V. Wade.  States can make adjustments just as they can with firearms.  Unless you don't think states should be able to ban weapons they don't want.
Healthcare - Has always been a state issue, even your boy Obama's only contribution to this country in 8 years leaves it that way
Education - Has always been a state thing, but the federal government has some oversight via DOE.
Marijuana - illegal at the federal level, so fuck the feds for enforcing a law Congress (and Obama mind you) refused to do anything about.


Can you at least stay intellectually consistent?

Such an elitist you are indeed...

Wasn't prohibition a federal law? We were drinking more in the 20s than we are now...


You make no sense.  You just point out stupid shit that has nothing to do with the point being made.  Yes. prohibition was stupid.  No argument here.  What the hell does that have to do with it not being a law legally passed (in your example, a constitutional amendment was passed)?  If your argument is "we shouldn't follow laws we don't like", I can't respond to that, because it's infantile and not realistic.  We don't get to pick and choose the laws we follow, otherwise I'd have a body count into the quadruple digits by now.  So change the law, but don't make half hearted, lazy comparisons that have no real similarity.

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