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#3131 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago
Gay Marriage - leave it up to the states
Abortion - leave it up to the states
Healthcare - leave it up to the states
Education - leave it up to the states
Marijuana - Illegal on a National level and let's start cracking down on it.
Abortion - legal at the federal level via Roe V. Wade. States can make adjustments just as they can with firearms. Unless you don't think states should be able to ban weapons they don't want.
Healthcare - Has always been a state issue, even your boy Obama's only contribution to this country in 8 years leaves it that way
Education - Has always been a state thing, but the federal government has some oversight via DOE.
Marijuana - illegal at the federal level, so fuck the feds for enforcing a law Congress (and Obama mind you) refused to do anything about.
Can you at least stay intellectually consistent?
#3132 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago
https://www.yahoo.com/news/bill-maher-u … 37447.html
Bill Maher saying the exact same thing as Milo in 1998. I like Maher and I watch his show each week. He had Milo on last Friday and it was pretty cordial. Then this week when the Milo ship ended, Maher was the first to take credit. If this doesn't come at Maher like it did Milo, can you really not claim media bias anymore?
#3133 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:Yea, I remember when the story broke on that. Nothing congress can do to resolve states using private prisons, but the federal government shouldn't be outsourcing prisoners.
Spicer's comments that Sessions is going to target legal marijuana don't make me happy. But we can't pick and choose what laws we follow. That was my biggest complaint about Obama. If the law is wrong, change it. Congress needs to compel the DEA to lower pot from schedule 1. People shouldn't have their lives ruined for smoking an unaltered or unprocessed plant, meanwhile pharmaceuticals are taking billions off legal opioids.
Told you Sessions was a bad pick.
I still don't think so. I fully support recreational weed. But federal law says it's illegal. He doesn't get to pick and choose what laws he enforces. The DEA has it as a schedule 1 drug, and recently reaffirmed it as so. The AG's job is to enforce the law. Congress needs to perform its function and pass a law removing it from the list of Schedule 1 drugs. It's shitty, but our government needs to start working again.
#3134 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago
Yea, I remember when the story broke on that. Nothing congress can do to resolve states using private prisons, but the federal government shouldn't be outsourcing prisoners.
Spicer's comments that Sessions is going to target legal marijuana don't make me happy. But we can't pick and choose what laws we follow. That was my biggest complaint about Obama. If the law is wrong, change it. Congress needs to compel the DEA to lower pot from schedule 1. People shouldn't have their lives ruined for smoking an unaltered or unprocessed plant, meanwhile pharmaceuticals are taking billions off legal opioids.
#3135 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/sess … itics.html
This is a mistake. Prisons shouldn't be run for profit. Imprisoning our citizens shouldn't done with any aim of profit. If we want to put someone in prison, it should be handled solely by the government at whatever the cost.
I'm hoping Democrats and Republicans alike condemn this and work to change the law.
#3136 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:mitchejw wrote:So the KKK has more members than we have documented cases of voter fraud?
I still don't know what identity politics is...must be a new conservative term.
How can someone be endorsed that's so radical? The same way that trump supporters voted for someone to take us back into a time that will never exist again.
I can assure you "identity politics" isn't a conservative term. It's a bonafide mainstream theory openly embraced and provided that nomenclature from the progressives that subscribe to it. You should seriously research it because it was the backbone of the Sanders crowd (which you were a member of, which is why your confusion is that more interesting) and is the driving force behind Ellison's supporters.
Obama for example, was not part of this thought, but paid lip service in part towards the tail end of his presidency, arguably to attempt to rally those estranged from Hillary as the party's nominee.
Ellison has so much support because identity politics has such a huge base of support within the left. That's who's going to be the "tea party" equivalent if the left can be mobilized in that fashion. You thought a bunch of bored and ignorant rednecks from middle America were bad bitching about Obamacare, wait until these nuts go full out. These are the people who believe gender is fluid, hate speech should be outlawed, consent must be verbal before each act (you can't just slip your finger in your wife without asking her while kissing in bed) or you've committed rape, safe spaces, reparations, no life in prison sentences and no borders. SJWs if you will.
If this happens, we'll become incredibly more polarized and start a cultural civil war with great civil unrest.
So if you don't want that type of progressivism to dominate the Democratic Party, greatly diminishing the chance to regain power, you should call your people as a democrat in favor of Perez. He's Obama's hand chosen candidate and has Joe Biden's endorsement too. He promises to be the leader who will return the Democrats to the type of progressivism that United the country in 2008 by showing what we share rather than how we're different.
This is quite the catastrophe scenario. Remember when homosexuality was considered a mental health disorder? I do...
Why do you care if someone wants to change their gender? and...who has time to sit around thinking about who else is in the bathroom?
I don't. But that was your takeaway. You knew nothing about a major philosophy in your own party and that was your takeaway. I think I'm done here. Keep playing make believe.
#3137 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago
The Reagan cult is going after George Takei now since he said once on Howard Stern in 2006 he lost his virginity at 13 with an 18 year old. The homophobia was the real reason for the attack and something I wasn't comfortable with. When I was 15 I got it on with a girl in her 20s and it was awesome (for me anyway) and was not in anyway anything bad.
And I'm not defending Milo because I don't care. He got back what he mocked for so long. But what you said is what he said, except at 13. He gave the caveat that not all 13 year olds could be ready, but he was. Which isn't that hard to relate to your 15 year old example.
#3138 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:mitchejw wrote:In modern day, who are white supremacists and and the klan standing behind?
These are such apples to oranges comparisons. And the whole thing gets too circular and convoluted I don't even enjoy the conversation anymore.
It's ironic to me that a troll would step down from a position for being really good at trolling.
It's stupid to me that Coulter would make a comparison between a right-wing glorified blogger peddling right wing garbage and Mexican illegals...what does one have to do with the other?
You mean all 3k Klan members in the entire country? It's a boogeyman at this point. They should continue to be reviled and condemned, but this isn't 1920. There's what, 10 members of Westboro? Yet how much attention do they get?
The NOI has zero power. But that the DNC is comfortable with a (former) member running to lead their organization is telling. Could a former member of the KKK not only run, but be competitive in the RNC? Fuck no, and if one even tried, there'd be a million man march in 72 hours with non stop news coverage.
How can the party that bills itself as the party of institutional equality, be ok nominating someone (with Sanders' and Schumer's endorsements no less) who was a member of an organization the SPLC designates as one of the largest hate groups in America?
Sessions allegedly called someone "boy" over 30 years ago and it was decried as the worst offense since Emmet Till. But just over 10 years ago, Ellison was writing opinion pieces advocating on behalf of the NOI.
Trump was called a racist for suggesting a Hispanic judge who was a member of La Raza (Spanish for "the race" and a group who advocates on behalf of illegals) was biased. If a white judge was a member of an organization called "The Race" that advocated on behalf of hate crime perpetrators, and was deciding a case about a black kid lynched by a couple white rednecks, would you be a racist if you pointed out the absurdity of the situation?
This is why I think the DNC is fucked for the next few years. Until they purge this bullshit, double standard, identity politics nonsense, they're not going to win back the White House or congress. If they went back to Bill Clinton and the blue collar working man, they'd have 400 EVs in 2020.
So the KKK has more members than we have documented cases of voter fraud?
I still don't know what identity politics is...must be a new conservative term.
How can someone be endorsed that's so radical? The same way that trump supporters voted for someone to take us back into a time that will never exist again.
I can assure you "identity politics" isn't a conservative term. It's a bonafide mainstream theory openly embraced and provided that nomenclature from the progressives that subscribe to it. You should seriously research it because it was the backbone of the Sanders crowd (which you were a member of, which is why your confusion is that more interesting) and is the driving force behind Ellison's supporters.
Obama for example, was not part of this thought, but paid lip service in part towards the tail end of his presidency, arguably to attempt to rally those estranged from Hillary as the party's nominee.
Ellison has so much support because identity politics has such a huge base of support within the left. That's who's going to be the "tea party" equivalent if the left can be mobilized in that fashion. You thought a bunch of bored and ignorant rednecks from middle America were bad bitching about Obamacare, wait until these nuts go full out. These are the people who believe gender is fluid, hate speech should be outlawed, consent must be verbal before each act (you can't just slip your finger in your wife without asking her while kissing in bed) or you've committed rape, safe spaces, reparations, no life in prison sentences and no borders. SJWs if you will.
If this happens, we'll become incredibly more polarized and start a cultural civil war with great civil unrest.
So if you don't want that type of progressivism to dominate the Democratic Party, greatly diminishing the chance to regain power, you should call your people as a democrat in favor of Perez. He's Obama's hand chosen candidate and has Joe Biden's endorsement too. He promises to be the leader who will return the Democrats to the type of progressivism that United the country in 2008 by showing what we share rather than how we're different.
#3139 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago
Ellison's annointment will bring the hypocrisy full circle. The DNC, once ran by a member of the Klan, now being run by a recent member of the Nation of Islam.
In modern day, who are white supremacists and and the klan standing behind?
These are such apples to oranges comparisons. And the whole thing gets too circular and convoluted I don't even enjoy the conversation anymore.
It's ironic to me that a troll would step down from a position for being really good at trolling.
It's stupid to me that Coulter would make a comparison between a right-wing glorified blogger peddling right wing garbage and Mexican illegals...what does one have to do with the other?
You mean all 3k Klan members in the entire country? It's a boogeyman at this point. They should continue to be reviled and condemned, but this isn't 1920. There's what, 10 members of Westboro? Yet how much attention do they get?
The NOI has zero power. But that the DNC is comfortable with a (former) member running to lead their organization is telling. Could a former member of the KKK not only run, but be competitive in the RNC? Fuck no, and if one even tried, there'd be a million man march in 72 hours with non stop news coverage.
How can the party that bills itself as the party of institutional equality, be ok nominating someone (with Sanders' and Schumer's endorsements no less) who was a member of an organization the SPLC designates as one of the largest hate groups in America?
Sessions allegedly called someone "boy" over 30 years ago and it was decried as the worst offense since Emmet Till. But just over 10 years ago, Ellison was writing opinion pieces advocating on behalf of the NOI.
Trump was called a racist for suggesting a Hispanic judge who was a member of La Raza (Spanish for "the race" and a group who advocates on behalf of illegals) was biased. If a white judge was a member of an organization called "The Race" that advocated on behalf of hate crime perpetrators, and was deciding a case about a black kid lynched by a couple white rednecks, would you be a racist if you pointed out the absurdity of the situation?
This is why I think the DNC is fucked for the next few years. Until they purge this bullshit, double standard, identity politics nonsense, they're not going to win back the White House or congress. If they went back to Bill Clinton and the blue collar working man, they'd have 400 EVs in 2020.
#3140 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 481 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:misterID wrote:I think I'm throwing my support behind Pete Buttigieg for DNC chair. Perez will most likely get it...
Perez is the sane choice, but I'm really hoping Ellison gets it. I want to be able to link to one of his numerous racist rants anytime someone claims dog whistling or gets upset at FBI crime stats.
I'm still trying to understand your definition of racism...
The one that's in the dictionary. Belief that one can make assumptions or gain value through the color of another's skin. The belief that members of a race are intrinsically different than others.
So Ellison calling about white peoples "devils" or calling Jews "the spawn of Satan" or defending those who do, falls under that definition.
That's why Coulter's comments about Milo were so funny. Why not outrage at the amount of Mexican illegals fucking underage girls? I get that it's culturally acceptable for a 26 year old to fuck a 14 year old there, but can we at least stay consistent on who we condemn.
Ellison's annointment will bring the hypocrisy full circle. The DNC, once ran by a member of the Klan, now being run by a recent member of the Nation of Islam.
