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#3191 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 483 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

Give 1 good reason to keep her?  After "Alternative Facts"  "Bowling Green Massacre"  "Buy Ivanka"... she's averaging 1 eff up a week?

There's been more, but those are the bigger ones IIRC.


I don't buy into the narrative those are huge fuckups. I wouldn't say them, but let's take it one by one shall we?

1.) Alternative Facts - Claims that are also true and portray a better picture for a party. E.g. "Trump had more people watching his inauguration (including TV and the internet) than any other President." Compared to "Trump has half the attendance to his inauguration as Obama had in '09."

Both are concurrently true, but provide an oppositional narrative. That's "alternative facts." "The US spends more per student than any other country" and "The US ranks towards the bottom in education among top tier nations" are alternative facts.

But you guys wanted to interpret it as they were all defending the claim Trumo had a bigger in person turnout for his inauguration and chuckle, rather than acknowledge what Obi-wan told us in Empire - truth depends on point of view.

2.) Bowling Green - Did or did not the FBI stop 2 radicals from trying to send money and guns back home from Bowling Green?  Yes, obviously she misspoke.  And she needed to correct herself. But instead of realizing she's got a million references she has to memorize for the million different questions, so when trying to cite a very valid example to justify Iraq not having full access, her larger point is ignored and it all becomes a fucking joke. No more talks about a serious subject - it's time to make Maddow faces and play grab ass. As I said earlier, the "gotcha" shit doesn't work anymore. You guys need to have actual ideas rather than just yelling 'no' and 'wrong' at everything.

3.) Ivanka's. Mistake clear and simple. But it's a fabricated story from the start. In an attempt to defend Ivanka's and her boss' policies that are what we're originally attributed to all of this, she crossed a line. It's not an excuse, but it's something that can be learned from. Condemn it, apologize and move on. But the "gotcha" bullshit isn't going to derail Trump. He's still at 50-53% approval rating despite this. 'Alternative Fact' big_smile

#3192 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 483 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:
PaSnow wrote:

Well, for starters Nordstroms employes THOUSANDS of workers, and if the President implys a wrondoing and with that a boycott, that store and employees can be impacted.  Same with competitor shoes, I don't know ladies shoe lines but if the WH solicits people to BUY IVANKA, those customers are less likely to buy those other brands, hurting their sales and employees.  It's a terrible road to travel to have the President telling us to buy his family brand. If DSW sells them, but Kohls & Target does not, are they left out in the cold??  We're only 3 weeks in, this isn't a scandal, it's a mistake.


And yes she should be fired. Period. She's proven to be worthless anyway on soo many issues it's silly she's even there at this point. She clearly isn't able to do the job.

the whole thing is clearly a shit show...whether it's "gotcha" journalism or whatever...

Most of these EOs cannot be executed as written...either they're too vague rendering them meaningless or they've been stopped by one court or another.

He's done nothing but blow his stack and bully people...and try to hawk shit

Now....chief Trump apologist, Randall Flagg will be taking questions


Fuckin A. I'd love to have Spicer's job

#3193 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 483 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

Well, for starters Nordstroms employes THOUSANDS of workers, and if the President implys a wrondoing and with that a boycott, that store and employees can be impacted.  Same with competitor shoes, I don't know ladies shoe lines but if the WH solicits people to BUY IVANKA, those customers are less likely to buy those other brands, hurting their sales and employees.  It's a terrible road to travel to have the President telling us to buy his family brand. If DSW sells them, but Kohls & Target does not, are they left out in the cold??  We're only 3 weeks in, this isn't a scandal, it's a mistake.


And yes she should be fired. Period.


I agree Nordstrom's should no way be penalized. But the rabid media turned the simple fact Ivanka's shit doesn't sell, so Nordstrom's didn't want to carry it, to Nordstrom's ends Ivanka's deal because of refugees.

The media created a story from nothing. Conway fucked up, but it's not like she gave an infomercial.  I don't think she should be fired over this, but should apologize and ensure it doesn't happen again. Remember that whole intent thing that saved Clinton from being prosecuted?  It applies here too.

#3194 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 483 weeks ago

Honestly it's probably a win win for all. I saw that Nordstrom's stock rose 4% after slightly dipping. Idiots who want to pay whatever stupid price Ivanka's brand gets will find her online. Those who go to Nordstrom's probably aren't die hard Trump supporters to begin, but those who feel they're getting a raw deal or think they're right to distance themselves will go to support them.

They're not selling Ivanka's stuff anyway, so they're not losing any business from people who would want to buy it.

#3195 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 483 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

Even Fox News is covering it:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02 … ments.html

In short: “Go buy Ivanka’s stuff" -  Kelly Anne Conway

Hard to deduce what story in the news is getting you guys worked up now.

She violated the rules. She should be counseled.  What do you think should happen?  It's not a criminal violation, but regulatory.

If she does it again, she should be terminated. But at the same time, the media has made Ivanka's clothing line and Nordstrom's a story. So they're going to respond.

Is this a real grievance or a gotcha?  In case you guys didn't learn in the election, the "gotcha" schtick isn't going to fly anymore.

At least they're not asking for donations to their private accounts to gain access. That would be truly despicable and demand consequences.

#3197 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 483 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
mitchejw wrote:

Ahhhhh....yes....beautiful Missouri...

Truly could not have picked a better place....

The only time I went there in my entire life, two people died because they drank too much at a massive boat party. The swam under a boat, knocked themselves unconscious and died....


So about 1/5 of a normal weekend in chicago?

Not sure what these types of comments are supposed to mean...


Oh, just commenting on your anecdotal story about Missouri being a place of drunken rednecks.  Just commenting that your city is more dangerous than most middle eastern cities.  But continue to mock fly over country.

#3198 Re: The Garden » Channel 4 news segment on UK Alt Right Internet trolls » 483 weeks ago

AtariLegend wrote:

Nothing says intelligent, informed journalism like calling The Bell Curve "unscientific" (she obviously isn't familiar with the book) and then showing some mouth breather affectionately holding Mein Kampf.

#3199 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 483 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

Ahhhhh....yes....beautiful Missouri...

Truly could not have picked a better place....

The only time I went there in my entire life, two people died because they drank too much at a massive boat party. The swam under a boat, knocked themselves unconscious and died....


So about 1/5 of a normal weekend in chicago?

#3200 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 483 weeks ago

If you think I'm a believer or think Christianity should get any preference, you're wrong. I'm simply stating that the European Christian culture, holidays and communities are the backbone of this nation.

What some are trying to do is label all violence on mass scales as terrorism.  That's where I'm coming from. Terrorism is violence stemming from a foreign ideology aimed at bringing change. Dylan Roof wasn't a terrorist. He was a white supremacist who murdered 9 (I think it's 9) innocent people because they were black. Maybe his aim was to kickoff a race war. Maybe he just wanted to kill. But white nationalism is a domestic issue stemming back domestically at least 150 years. So it's a hate crime.  But it's not terrorism.

The distinction is important because a common response to concerns about terror is to compare it to some domestic violent act like a school shooting. The actions we can take to prevent/deter terror are completely different for domestic issues.

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