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#3281 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 485 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
PaSnow wrote:

Secondly, (umpteenthly), do you know what kindof recruiting tool this is?  If anything gets foreigners amped up to hate us more its a nimrod like this & Brietbart running the show.  San Bernadino, Orlando, Boston, they were just random lone wolfs. Not organized strikes. No different than Dylan Roof, Batman, Virginia Tech, Newtown.  Should we ban all Christians from owning guns?

Christian's aren't killing people for their god. Why do I care if the Hajis get riled up over this. They won't be able to enter our country. Trump banned them. What part of this isn't penetrating your skull?

Let them recruit and train for a war for Allah. We'll be better able to kill them by following their behavior and web traffic.

I don't know how to make this any clearer. I don't care if Syrians are killing each other. I'm not going to sacrifice shit to help them.  And neither are you. You're not going to do a fucking thing to help them. You'll bitch on the internet, maybe even march downtown on a Saturday after noon when you're not busy. But you don't sacrifice a fucking thing or do anything to inconvenience yourself to help these people you claim to care about. That goes for all of you. You'll sit in your nice western home with the heat on eating a hoagie with extra mayo and talk.   None of you have actually done anything to change the world. But you think liking a comment on Twitter or marching in a circle has any fucking impact on reality. It doesn't. 

Trump is going to continue to shatter the false barriers that have been built. And most of you will be too busy arguing over what pronoun should be used to call a man who mutilated his body and took estrogen shots. As long as your stomach is full and you have fun things to keep you entertained, you won't sacrifice a fucking thing.

You are more stupid than Kelly Anne Conway & Sarah Palin put together.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/politics/ … index.html

Inside the confusion of the Trump executive order and travel ban

Washington (CNN)When President Donald Trump declared at the Pentagon Friday he was enacting strict new measures to prevent domestic terror attacks, there were few within his government who knew exactly what he meant.

Administration officials weren't immediately sure which countries' citizens would be barred from entering the United States. The Department of Homeland Security was left making a legal analysis on the order after Trump signed it. A Border Patrol agent, confronted with arriving refugees, referred questions only to the President himself, according to court filings.
Trump's immigration order: Which countries are affected?
Iran
Iraq
Syria
Sudan
Libya
Yemen
Somalia
Saturday night, a federal judge granted an emergency stay for citizens of the affected countries who had already arrived in the US and those who are in transit and hold valid visas, ruling they can legally enter the US.
Trump's unilateral moves, which have drawn the ire of human rights groups and prompted protests at US airports, reflect the President's desire to quickly make good on his campaign promises. But they also encapsulate the pitfalls of an administration largely operated by officials with scant federal experience.
More protests against Trump's immigration policies planned
Protesters decry Trump's immigration policies
It wasn't until Friday -- the day Trump signed the order banning travel from seven Muslim-majority countries for 90 days and suspending all refugee admission for 120 days -- that career homeland security staff were allowed to see the final details of the order, a person familiar with the matter said.
The result was widespread confusion across the country on Saturday as airports struggled to adjust to the new directives. In New York, two Iraqi nationals sued the federal government after they were detained at John F. Kennedy International Airport, and 10 others were detained as well.

In Philadelphia, a Syrian family of six who had a visa through a family connection in the US was placed on a return flight to Doha, Qatar, and Department of Homeland Security officials said others who were in the air would be detained upon arrival and put back on a plane to their home country.
Asked during a photo opportunity in the Oval Office Saturday afternoon about the rollout, Trump said his government was "totally prepared."
"It's working out very nicely," Trump told reporters. "You see it at the airports. You see it all over. It's working out very nicely and we're going to have a very, very strict ban, and we're going to have extreme vetting, which we should have had in this country for many years."
Trump's immigration ban sends shockwaves
Trump's immigration ban sends shockwaves
The policy team at the White House developed the executive order on refugees and visas, and largely avoided the traditional interagency process that would have allowed the Justice Department and homeland security agencies to provide operational guidance, according to numerous officials who spoke to CNN on Saturday.
Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly and Department of Homeland Security leadership saw the final details shortly before the order was finalized, government officials said.
Friday night, DHS arrived at the legal interpretation that the executive order restrictions applying to seven countries -- Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Sudan and Yemen -- did not apply to people with lawful permanent residence, generally referred to as green card holders.



The White House overruled that guidance overnight, according to officials familiar with the rollout. That order came from the President's inner circle, led by Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon. Their decision held that, on a case by case basis, DHS could allow green card holders to enter the US.
There had been some debate whether green card holders should be even allowed to board international flights. It was decided by the Department of Homeland Security they could fly to the US and would be considered on a case-by-case basis after passing a secondary screening.
But the guidance sent to airlines on Friday night, obtained by CNN, said clearly, "lawful permanent residents are not included and may continue to travel to the USA."



As of Saturday afternoon, Customs and Border Protection continued to issue the same guidance to airlines as it did Friday, telling airlines that fly to the US that green card holders can board planes to the US but they may get extra scrutiny on arrival, according to an airline official.
Before the President issued the order, the White House did not seek the legal guidance of the Office of Legal Counsel, the Justice Department office that interprets the law for the executive branch, according to a source familiar with the process.
White House officials disputed that Sunday morning, saying that OLC signed off and agency review was performed.
A source said the creation of the executive order did not follow the standard agency review process that's typically overseen by the National Security Council.

Separately, a person familiar with the matter said career officials in charge of enforcing the executive order were not fully briefed on the specifics until Friday. The officials were caught off guard by some of the specifics and raised questions about how to handle the new banned passengers on US-bound planes.
Regarding the green card holders and some of the confusion about whether they were impacted, the person familiar with the matter said if career officials had known more about the executive order earlier, some of the confusion could have been avoided and a better plan could be in place.
Administration officials also defended the process Saturday. They said the people who needed to be briefed ahead of time on the plane were briefed and that people at the State Department and DHS who were involved in the process were able to make decisions about who to talk and inform about this.

Bannon and Miller were running point on this order and giving directives regarding green cards, according to a Republican close to the White House.
But even after the Friday afternoon announcement, administration officials at the White House took several hours to produce text of the action until several hours after it was signed. Adviser Kellyanne Conway even said at one point it was not going to be released before eventually it did get sent out.
Administration officials also seemed unsure at first who was covered in the action, and a list of impacted countries was only produced later on Friday night, hours after the President signed the document at the Pentagon.


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Go ahead, whine like a little girl that's it's CNN and they're just mad at Trump cause he hires hookers to pee in his bed.


What are trying to demonstrate?  I can click links without you having to embed the article.

Trump's order still stands. The only people impacted were the couple hundred on flight or at the airport being detained. 

You keep repeating articles that clearly state the stays only impacted a couple hundred people. Did you graduate high school?  Is English your first language?

If you're trying to make an argument, please state what it is as I have serious concerns of your ability to understand these articles you've linked.

Go protest outside JFK. It doesn't change anything, but it apparently makes people feel better.

#3282 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 485 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

Secondly, (umpteenthly), do you know what kindof recruiting tool this is?  If anything gets foreigners amped up to hate us more its a nimrod like this & Brietbart running the show.  San Bernadino, Orlando, Boston, they were just random lone wolfs. Not organized strikes. No different than Dylan Roof, Batman, Virginia Tech, Newtown.  Should we ban all Christians from owning guns?

Christian's aren't killing people for their god. Why do I care if the Hajis get riled up over this. They won't be able to enter our country. Trump banned them. What part of this isn't penetrating your skull?

Let them recruit and train for a war for Allah. We'll be better able to kill them by following their behavior and web traffic.

I don't know how to make this any clearer. I don't care if Syrians are killing each other. I'm not going to sacrifice shit to help them.  And neither are you. You're not going to do a fucking thing to help them. You'll bitch on the internet, maybe even march downtown on a Saturday after noon when you're not busy. But you don't sacrifice a fucking thing or do anything to inconvenience yourself to help these people you claim to care about. That goes for all of you. You'll sit in your nice western home with the heat on eating a hoagie with extra mayo and talk.   None of you have actually done anything to change the world. But you think liking a comment on Twitter or marching in a circle has any fucking impact on reality. It doesn't. 

Trump is going to continue to shatter the false barriers that have been built. And most of you will be too busy arguing over what pronoun should be used to call a man who mutilated his body and took estrogen shots. As long as your stomach is full and you have fun things to keep you entertained, you won't sacrifice a fucking thing.

#3283 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 485 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

Because they were stopped at the airport and were going to be sent back. It's not stopping Trump from deporting some illegal or someone found to have violated the conditions of their visa. Just a couple hundred foreigners who were being detained at airports. It doesn't stop his order from continuing to be implemented and preventing people who haven't departed yet for the US.

What part of " imminent deportation" do you have trouble comprehending?

Originally they were going to be sent back.  All of them.  Only until the outrage & protests began they reversed course. Amatuers.

United States of Breitbart.

All of them being the couple hundred at an airport. Why is this a big deal?  You're acting like it's a victory when a couple hundred people who were trapped in an airport were allowed to leave. And you've yet to show Trumps intent was for these people to be locked up at the airport.

Nothing has changed. Someone in Iran at this moment can not fly to America. Trump's EO stays. Either you fail to grasp what has occurred or you're pretending that admitting the 200 people temporarily detained at an airport was somehow a victory and repudiation of Trump.   It was neither, but if thinking something of any note was accomplished makes you feel like you've won or done anything to stop Trump, good for you. Maybe Trump can let you pick out the color of a tie and you can claim victory over the border wall too. Stay distracted.

#3284 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 485 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
slcpunk wrote:

First week:

Start trade war with Mexico

Unconstitutional executive order banning Muslims (which again is also great propaganda for fundamentalist nutjobs around the globe)

Trump supporters applaud. We're only getting started. This lunatic is going to burn everything to the ground.

No one has ruled this unconstitutional. The President gets to dictate who gets to enter. Good luck finding a court that rules Trump blocking people from traveling to America is illegal, let alone unconstitutional. They've put a temporary stay detaining people who have a valid visa. And I've yet to see that Trump ordered or desired to keep people locked up in an airport.

If you thought Obama could legalize people who illegally entered our country, you absolutely have to accept the President can determine who can enter legally.

The Trump Administration & Executive order called for an immediate ban & for all to be deported. After the protests, the administration reversed course to save face. It's a joke how inept they are.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/detained … d=45109972

The ruling does not appear to overturn administration policy, but does appear to apply to all of those people currently detained at airports across the country who were facing imminent deportation.

Because they were stopped at the airport and were going to be sent back. It's not stopping Trump from deporting some illegal or someone found to have violated the conditions of their visa. Just a couple hundred foreigners who were being detained at airports. It doesn't stop his order from continuing to be implemented and preventing people who haven't departed yet for the US.

#3285 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 485 weeks ago

slcpunk wrote:

First week:

Start trade war with Mexico

Unconstitutional executive order banning Muslims (which again is also great propaganda for fundamentalist nutjobs around the globe)

Trump supporters applaud. We're only getting started. This lunatic is going to burn everything to the ground.

No one has ruled this unconstitutional. The President gets to dictate who gets to enter. Good luck finding a court that rules Trump blocking people from traveling to America is illegal, let alone unconstitutional. They've put a temporary stay detaining people who have a valid visa. And I've yet to see that Trump ordered or desired to keep people locked up in an airport.

If you thought Obama could legalize people who illegally entered our country, you absolutely have to accept the President can determine who can enter legally.

#3286 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 485 weeks ago

Now apply that cartoon with the actual argument put forth against BLM.

"BLM"

"So maybe you should focus on your own community since 97% of black lives are taken by members of the black community."

"Oh thank god, I'm fleeing a war zone"

"That doesn't mean my country has any obligation to let any amount of people into our country, especially when you're unskilled, can't speak English and have a completely different view of society than we do. I'm sorry for your misfortune and I'll be glad to support you in fighting to end the conflict rather than fleeing and enjoying the safety of my nation while leaving yours no better.  If we let you in, we have to let everyone else as we shouldn't play lottery or favorites if we really think this is a matter of life or death.  Might I recommend you start by not believing the word of a 50 year old man who married a 6 year old girl and fucked her at 9 and basing your society off of it. Maybe emulate the leader who sacrificed himself for the sins of mankind if you really need to believe in invisible gods."

#3287 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 485 weeks ago

I'm not posting because there's nothing to discuss I largely agree with Trump's immigration order. But I can't get an authentic analysis of what it actually does versus what people who are screaming the sky is falling are claiming. I don't want Syrian refugees coming here. People bouncing back and forth to Iran don't need to be in this country.  You don't get to claim you're a world citizen and walk outside the political reality. If you want to be in America fine, but you don't get to bounce back and forth to a country that officially sponsors terrorism against the West. But people that have valid visas and were caught in transit shouldn't have to live out a real life version of The Terminal.

Trump said he was going to do this. I've made it clear from day one I supported Trump's immigration policy and am ecstatic he's following through.

When he starts rounding innocent people that legally reside in America for looking guilty, then I'll comment. But I want America to adopt an immigration policy that benefits Americans first and foremost.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ … _safe.html

#3288 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 485 weeks ago

misterID wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
misterID wrote:

Drone on all you want, he told him to step off. Dude is a hero in his country today. Showed what a bumbling tool Trump is who had to lie, again, and act like he canceled the meeting, or it was a mutual decision. Mexico isn't paying for shit and there will be no tarrifs or boarder taxes. Trump is a bitch on this. Their peso is up today. http://www.wsj.com/articles/dollar-stal … 1485528941

After he talked to Trump. Why are you so against admitting that the US is the dominant power and we're capable of throwing our weight around. Mexico and the US aren't equal. So why pretend they are?

Why are you making up this argument? I never said anything of the sort. 14


I'm replying to your comment about the peso rebounding. It rebounded because he talked with Trump. I'm all for having a positive relationship with Mexico, but they're going to assist in immigration if they want to do business with us.

#3289 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 485 weeks ago

misterID wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
misterID wrote:

The Mexican President is pretty impressive. Not taking any shit from Drumpf.

What is impressive?  The Peso dropped over a % while the Dollar remained steady and the Dow stayed great. The markets didn't give a shit. That should tell you what everyone knows. The US will not be weakend by this, in fact it'll be the opposite.

He's already unpopular and their economy immediately gets threatened?  He had to talk to Trump. Pride wasn't an option. Now that he's learned his place and his ministers and anyone with a brain in Mexico has taken note, Trump can give him a bone to spin success to his people.  America is the top dog. End of story. Any country that wants to continue to do well and grow will ally with our interests.  Notice how the Canadians have stayed quiet?  They know who to back. They've got just as much to lose as Mexico.

Trump's going to setup a new trade deal with the UK. Fuck waiting 2 years. What will the EU do?  Germany and France won't stop it. In fact, I  bet within 5-10 years, both of them will be joining a trade agreement with the US too.

Why include the useless countries like Greece when they can improve relations and gain better access to the US market.  The west only needs the rest of the world to trade with us. We don't need to let their people come storming into our countries if they're not bringing anything to the table. Rather than brain drain these other countries, we should let businesses invest and build them up. Have you taken notice of what China is doing in Africa?  That's what we should be doing in the Middle East and Asia, sending in businesses to build them into the 21st century and take a cut of their profits.

If we turn the rest of the world into the West, they'll want to avoid war and conflict in their homes as much as we do. A hell of a lot harder to die for Allah when you have an air conditioned home and internet access.

Drone on all you want, he told him to step off. Dude is a hero in his country today. Showed what a bumbling tool Trump is who had to lie, again, and act like he canceled the meeting, or it was a mutual decision. Mexico isn't paying for shit and there will be no tarrifs or boarder taxes. Trump is a bitch on this. Their peso is up today. http://www.wsj.com/articles/dollar-stal … 1485528941

After he talked to Trump. Why are you so against admitting that the US is the dominant power and we're capable of throwing our weight around. Mexico and the US aren't equal. So why pretend they are?

#3290 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 485 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

If we turn the rest of the world into the West, they'll want to avoid war and conflict in their homes as much as we do. A hell of a lot harder to die for Allah when you have an air conditioned home and internet access.

Dude, c'mon.  They said that back in 2004. It ain't gonna go down like that.  People said it was about "Weapons of Mass Destruction" then it was about "Spreading Democracy" then it was about "Beating Al Qaeda". It was an endless loop of things which never became true.


Bush didn't invade Iraq for oil or business. Look at Iraq and Afghanistan and tell me who got the oil and what busineses did we build?

I'm talking about starting in Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia. Largely stable countries that could benefit from western infrastructure and jobs.  It's not going to happen over night, but you build them up to show it's enticing. Then other governments take steps to secure their countries. How many people did we butcher in our own civil war to get the nation under one vision. How many died in WW2 to unite the West?  If people want to war and die for imaginary gods, give them their wish and secure the area.  The people who like a life of running water and indoor plumbing will out those who create trouble, just as we do.

For years we've been told "you can't do that!  It's not fair or it violates some international law no one can enforce."  Trump is saying fuck all that. We're in charge, we'll ignore or change the rules rather than handicap ourselves and people. Why do you think he put a real world financial expert in charge of the treasury?  Why do you think he put the former CEO of the worlds biggest company in charge of State?  Why do you think he put the ultimate General in charge of Defense?  Notice a pattern?  He's going to build trade relationships that financially benefit us without all the bureaucracy of 20th century mindset. And he's going to have a general who knows how to fight wars in the 21st century leading out security and defense. This is where we're headed.

Trump told you from day one he was just going to do it. I didn't believe it either because no one has been able to move forward like this. Even Reagan and Kennedy got mired in the red tape. Trump is just saying fuck all of that.

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