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#321 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR - VEGAS, T-Mobile Arena Show, 4/8 » 552 weeks ago
Weiland was trying to stir shit at that time, at a risk of VR... it's why I always tended to believe it later, when other evidence and/or rumor came to light.
But at the time? Yeah... I thought it was Scott being Scott. A habitual liar.
#322 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR - VEGAS, T-Mobile Arena Show, 4/8 » 552 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:This is a cluster fuck. No doors open and we are all out in the rain.
It doesn't rain in Vegas. The apocalypse must be near. I KNEW this was too good to be true.
They've been having storm issues out there.
For example, Chase Field closed their roof tonight for the Cubs/Diamondbacks game because it was raining in Phoenix... PHOENIX.
So if it can rain there, Vegas might be getting it too.
#323 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR - VEGAS, T-Mobile Arena Show, 4/8 » 552 weeks ago
Axlin16 wrote:misterID wrote:That's the best Axl pic I've seen in all of 2016
Dude is in his best shape since 06.
I also think he's vocally in his 2006 form. I noticed this with the Troub show, and the video GN'R released solidified it.
I thought Axl sounded great in 2006. It was a mix of rasp and the clean vocal. Bad nights were all clean vocal. But the difference in 2006 vs. 2002 & 2011-14, was that Axl HAD POWER (BTTF 2)!
I would GLADLY take 2006 vocal Axl + Slash & Duff in 2016. FUCK YES! According to Scott Weiland, we almost got that in 2006....
Scott was full of shit. Axl was still excited about CD and no way, no way, NO WAY, he would work with anyone with Perla in the picture, and she was a source of the shit thrown at Axl. There could have been some offer, they said they got them every year, but no way do I believe Scott.
I would have taken 2006 Axl in 2002!
Ehhh... not so fast.
Supposedly that's when the beef when Perla started.
Rumor was the papers were waiting to be signed, and Axl balked when Perla tried to license the old pistol & roses logo (of which I still have a Chinese-era denim jacket of, before they were pulled), and Slash balked when Axl was fine with bringing them back, but wanted them to sign over all their rights to the back catalog, because of the previous soundtrack lawsuit two years earlier at that time.
Somewhere in all of that, plus what Scott said, plus GN'R being down a guitarist at the time, a four year hiatus, positive Slash stories, and then a renewal of HATRED between the two camps... somewhere in the middle of that was a truth.
#324 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR - VEGAS, T-Mobile Arena Show, 4/8 » 552 weeks ago
AtariLegend wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:This is a cluster fuck. No doors open and we are all out in the rain.
VIPs have been in for maybe 2 hours it it helps, judging by the stream
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Enjoy the show Smoking, it'll be special.
Thanks Bro... This building is beautiful from the outside.
BWHAHAHHAHAHA 
Enjoy the show SG
#325 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR - VEGAS, T-Mobile Arena Show, 4/8 » 552 weeks ago
Axlin16 wrote:I ain't sitting out there behind all those people, but at the same time... interesting choice. There's supposedly VIP tix being sold even further back then that, supposed to be up behind the sound mixer.
Oh and to top it all off? Those seats way back there are like $250 bucks.
it's weird being seated behind people standing up. and 250 bucks. damn.
but if i had no choice i would probably take that
I went with seats in the second row. Even after all the fees, taxes, parking, bullshit... still set me back $200 bucks.
It better be Goddamn good. REALLY fuckin' good. 
#326 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR - VEGAS, T-Mobile Arena Show, 4/8 » 552 weeks ago
That's the best Axl pic I've seen in all of 2016
Dude is in his best shape since 06.
I also think he's vocally in his 2006 form. I noticed this with the Troub show, and the video GN'R released solidified it.
I thought Axl sounded great in 2006. It was a mix of rasp and the clean vocal. Bad nights were all clean vocal. But the difference in 2006 vs. 2002 & 2011-14, was that Axl HAD POWER (BTTF 2)!
I would GLADLY take 2006 vocal Axl + Slash & Duff in 2016. FUCK YES! According to Scott Weiland, we almost got that in 2006....
#327 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR - VEGAS, T-Mobile Arena Show, 4/8 » 552 weeks ago
James Lofton wrote:supaplex wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cfkl20kUYAA4mPa.jpg
people started going in.That arena looks great.
Yeah, and i think that's our first glimpse at how the seats will be set up on the tour.
A part of the floor will be seated.
I noticed this while looking for Orlando tix today.
At first I thought it was a mistake, but Ticketmaster kept saying it was right. Now I can see this is the layout they are going with for the entire tour.
I ain't sitting out there behind all those people, but at the same time... interesting choice. There's supposedly VIP tix being sold even further back then that, supposed to be up behind the sound mixer.
Oh and to top it all off? Those seats way back there are like $250 bucks. 
#328 Re: Guns N' Roses » Report Delves Into Financials Of GUNS N' ROSES' Summer Tour Read more » 552 weeks ago
polluxlm wrote:If true that's a hell of a deal for Duff. Not that he doesn't deserve it, but I don't think he'd ever get an even split with Axl and Slash back in the 90s.
Imo it would be well deserved, and I would be positively surprised Axl agreed to it.
Well, it does seem that he's basically responsible for bringing the band back together.
One thing I do think is a bit of a shame is that Fortus, Dizzy, Ferrer and Melissa have basically been relegated to "backing players" in the publicity, when in the previous version of the band they were all on an equal footing with Stinson, Buckethead, DJ or whoever. I get that they're not the big draw for most of the audience, but I'd really like to see them presented as a band – get some publicity shots of the whole gang together, that sort of thing.
They are a BAND.
Axl, Slash & Duff = Guns N' Roses, and what they are saying -- this has been the case since 1990.
Although they are not technically a 3-piece, Alice In Chains is also basically Jerry/Sean/Mike Inez. That group would tour under the AIC banner, whether DuVall was there or not. They did before DuVall was there.
Metallica = Hetfield, Ulrich & Hammett. Nobody considers Rob a member of the band. As soon as Jason was shown the door (for no fucking reason), it became a 3-piece.
Van Halen = Dave/Eddie/Alex. Nobody is paying to see Wolfie.
Queen & The Who are even less so. Just 2 OG's and a backing band.
That's why I went off about Dizzy Reed getting slighted. I didn't get it. 25 years of loyalty to Axl, plus being on the Illusion records, and being in the Hall, I would've thought would've bought Dizzy some say so.
But again, does Dizzy deserve a 4th cut? Apparently IZZY didn't deserve it, so I doubt Dizzy would get it.
However... something tells me if Dizzy is on salary, Dizzy is BY FAR making the most of any of the other members. Possibly triple. I'm sure Dizzy is being taken care of nicely.
#329 Re: Guns N' Roses » Troubadour 04/01/16 - videos » 552 weeks ago
That video. Holyfuckz.
Yeah I just nerdgasm'ed everywhere.
#330 Re: Guns N' Roses » No Going Back » 552 weeks ago
Lofton put it better than me, but yeah. GN'R has already had their run at the top. They had a reboot in the early 2000's and it failed for a variety of reasons. This is actually their 2nd reboot, ala Whitesnake in the mid-2000's with Aldrich/Beach, but obviously on a Rolling Stones-level.
That's why I used the Whitesnake reference. People forget that Whitesnake made a mild splash in the rock scene in the late 70s/early 80s, and were significantly popular in the U.K. They had their moment and a couple of hits, and never cracked the U.S. market. By the Slide It In-era, with Sykes on guitar, Coverdale was still failing to get in the U.S. what he wanted. 'Snake '87 was him scrapping the board, completely rebooting the band into a glam rock outfit, and by Slip of the Tongue, they were straight metal with Vandenburg/Vai. He rose to the top of the world, then basically went into modest retirement by 1990, having no clue about the grunge explosion on the way.
Fast-forward to the mid-2000's, then came the reboot with Doug Aldrich/Reb Beach, that was a hybrid band between early 'Snake & glam 'Snake. Probably the way the band always should've been. Regardless, it was a SECOND reboot, and somehow for a time -- it worked. They weren't playing Download or anything, but they had some modest success as a tribute act to themselves.
Axl won't have the ability to do that, because people never viewed him as the centerpiece of the band. Never. Maybe in his mind, but never. Like James said, it's too late in the life cycle.
I come back to the Alice In Chains thing earlier with them being seen as a trio. DuVall imo will never been seen as a true member, despite promotion, but that core of Cantrell/Kinney/Inez, pretty much is AIC. Those pieces imo don't change. That's the core. DuVall can be removed, and that trio will still tour as AIC, whether they bring in a replacement or not. I'd love for Jerry to bring in someone like Aaron Lewis (who'd probably jump at the job as he was a huge Layne mark), but Jerry's ego will never allow it. He still is wanting to convince the world he was always the brains behind Chains (which he was).
Axl doesn't have that option. As just little things like recent soundchecks tonight have proven... THE BAND (at least Slash & Duff) were just as important to the core of Guns N' Roses, as Axl himself.
Just having Slash & Duff there, the guitars sound infinitely better, the backing vocals & harmonies make the songs sound like they did on the album, and with Axl there -- that's the nucleus. Izzy fucked off in '91 to never return, and that's HIS doing.
Again, not to beat a broken record, and yes to slight my boy Dizzy, but yeah... GN'R = Axl/Slash/Duff. It's even being promoted as "Axl, Slash & Duff return to the stage for the first time in 23 years".
It'll stay that way. The only thing that will change that is an untimely death. And of course, if Axl dies -- it's over. He's truely irreplaceable.

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