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#3401 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago
PaSnow wrote:It is a waste of time. On a day to day basis, you just gotta enjoy you're life & try to realize what little impact politics may have. On the flip side, there's raising & lowering of taxes (and yes insurance rates recently), the improving/crashing economy and other things, leading to job prospects & your pay/quality of life. Social issues, which I agree Flagg minds little to, are pretty irrelevant, and no Obama didn't want to 'take anyones guns away'.
That said tho, it does get frustrating. As bad as it may be to see "I won't give Trump a chance" on the flip side I hate reading on FB about Obama is the worst President ever? I just read someone post "History won't be kind to Obama" along the lines of he's been terrible. It was a friend of a friend so I didn't respond but I just feel like saying "Are you aware he followed the worst President of possibly our lifetime?"
I'll say it again, and you can bring this up in 4-8 years. Obama will be remembered as a "Great" President. Prolly better than Bill Clinton.
He was Jackie Robinson.
I don't know if that is a compliment. Jackie is remembered as the first black ball player. Not a great ball player like Cobb, Ruth and Gehrig. Maybe Ali is a better example.
#3402 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:I think you're will find me to be fair and objective on Trump.
Lol...you swallow a lot of his BS and seem to only be bothered by his tweets.
I loathes this man and his behavior. The next four years I will waste a lot of energy hating his ass.
Why though> I totally get being upset in the aftermath. I posted some really dumb shit the days after the 2008 election about America becoming a socialist cespool. So I understand being irrational after your candidate loses. But to want to spend 4 years wasting energy at something you have no power over just seems wasteful to me. By all mean, condemn the shit you deem stupid. But unqualified hate just seems such a waste of your time.
#3403 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:PaSnow wrote:You said, verbatim "he has to resign"!!
Secondly, if it's reads like viral conspiracy stuff just wait it out. Don't join in 30 seconds later saying "Wow"
"If true". You left out that qualifier.
Yeah well "If it was true" that Hillary Clinton ran a sex trafficking ring inside a rando pizza shop then that gun nut did an honorable thing.
Kind of a poor comparison since I don't recall any mainstream news source pushing that as a story. It seems pretty absurd on its face. I wasn't even aware it was a story until the nutter shot up the place. But when every news site runs a story saying Russia has compromising information on Trump, buzzfeed releases an image of said transcript and people who I've had conversations with for years jump into a thread saying it's golden showers, I'm going to hear them out. If you look at the thread you can quite clearly see me saying I can't find anything to verify it and Mitch and SLC telling me it was golden showers.
#3404 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:PaSnow wrote:Flagg, don't try and wipe your hands from this:
Sure you prefaced it with "if true" but you got caught up in it too. All of us implied "If its true", it's like the "Understood You" when you say "Shut the door". And don't just blame Dems. Remember it was just a few weeks ago a man drove 100+ miles and brought a rifle into a pizza shop because he thought Hillary Clinton was running a child sex ring trafficking operation out of it.
That said, I think the 'golden showers' is likely fake, as is the screen shot. However I do believe the CIA did know things about Trumps Russia business dealings, and possibly escorts he interacted with. That said, that alone doesn't make him unfit to serve. But he does have to watch out for who he offends. His brash attitude can catch up to him very quickly.
I don't think 4chan 'duped' the CIA. I think a reader posted that screenshot which went viral. But the CIA didn't associate with that at all, that was just the internet. I think the CIAs portion of the story is more business dealings, with possible sexual encounters along the lines of Elliot Spitzer.
Because you guys were going fucking nuts with it. When 5 or 6 people come running to post, I'm going to listen. I didn't go on a rant about how Trump was in the bag for Putin and we need to suspend the inauguration. I sssumed credible stuff would be forthcoming because I assume our media and intelligence agencies are objective. That's obviously not true any more.
Don't you dare lump me in with the hyenas who thought their spaghetti monster answered their prayers.
You said, verbatim "he has to resign"!!
Secondly, if it's reads like viral conspiracy stuff just wait it out. Don't join in 30 seconds later saying "Wow"
"If true". You left out that qualifier.
#3405 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:Eugene Robinson, Minka, and everyone else other than Joe Scarborough are all democrats!!! Minka said she would gladly discuss when it IS a story. Tom Brokal said him and Engel spent 4 months looking into this and found NOTHING!!!!!
You're not going to get through to them. These are the same people who screamed Sessions was a racist but are completely silent as their party puts an actual racist (even their beloved SPLC calls the Nation of Islam a hate organization) in charge.
They want to believe they're rebels fighting the evil empire or internet marching in Selma in 1965.
You're lying again. I did speak out against Ellison. Like you're spinning this story. The CIA took the report to Trump to make him aware of it. The unfair Trump hating media kept silent about it for 4 months, but could not dismiss it. It was reported because Trump was briefed about it.
True, you did. You were the only one. But you also said there was no way Ellison was getting the gig.
#3406 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago
Flagg, don't try and wipe your hands from this:
Randall Flagg wrote:Man, if that's true it's fucked up. On one hand I think it's completely disgusting. On the other I don't want to be the guy that tells people their fetish is fucked. But if true, he has to resign. Right or wrong, a guy who likes being pissed on can't be taken seriously as the President.
Sure you prefaced it with "if true" but you got caught up in it too. All of us implied "If its true", it's like the "Understood You" when you say "Shut the door". And don't just blame Dems. Remember it was just a few weeks ago a man drove 100+ miles and brought a rifle into a pizza shop because he thought Hillary Clinton was running a child sex ring trafficking operation out of it.
That said, I think the 'golden showers' is likely fake, as is the screen shot. However I do believe the CIA did know things about Trumps Russia business dealings, and possibly escorts he interacted with. That said, that alone doesn't make him unfit to serve. But he does have to watch out for who he offends. His brash attitude can catch up to him very quickly.
I don't think 4chan 'duped' the CIA. I think a reader posted that screenshot which went viral. But the CIA didn't associate with that at all, that was just the internet. I think the CIAs portion of the story is more business dealings, with possible sexual encounters along the lines of Elliot Spitzer.
Because you guys were going fucking nuts with it. When 5 or 6 people come running to post, I'm going to listen. I didn't go on a rant about how Trump was in the bag for Putin and we need to suspend the inauguration. I sssumed credible stuff would be forthcoming because I assume our media and intelligence agencies are objective. That's obviously not true any more.
Don't you dare lump me in with the hyenas who thought their spaghetti monster answered their prayers.
#3407 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:misterID wrote:This isn't fake news yet. To the contrary, the media has had this for months and not all of it has been discredited. It was mentioned because it was in a CIA report briefing. Russia most likely has something on Trump. If he doesn't release his taxes he should not he given the oath. He said he would, he lied.
And I gave a hypothetical on underage girls, for which he is being sued for. Let me repeat, he is being sued by a woman who said he raped her when she was a 13 year old girl. Some of you were trying pin the lolita express on Bill, when Trump traveled with the ring leader of the pedophile network and was singled out by one of the girls. I had no idea about this when I made up the hypothetical.
Except he isn't being sued, the case was dismissed. I never said that Clinton was fucking underage kids. Just that if you were going to all of a sudden claim Trump was, you had to accept Clinton was too since he was on the same fucking plane no less than 5 times without a SS detail. I'm starting to realize why the internet has the reputation it does. You guys are becoming far too rabid and irrational in your claims. At least with Obama we didn't have a bunch of posters flooding every thread with birther tripe. It's going to be like it was under Bush again with Truther nonsense and loose change links every other post.
Did I say you -- you guys, as Trump's corner, SG went with that story when he thought it was against Bill. There was more damning evidence on Trump. The girl who was there singled Trump out as a participant. I didn't bring this story up, SG did.
That's Pollux you're talking about with the conspiracy shit, not us. This is still news. Maybe it will be debunked, we will see.
The story was the CIA questioned your next JFK about this report to let him know it was out there.
Pollux certainly pushed some nutty stories in his day, but he wasn't the ring leader behind the truther horseshit on the forums. That title belongs to SLC. I'm sure even now he'll tell you it was an inside job.
#3408 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago
misterID wrote:Smoking Guns wrote:This story has become a non story in less than 12 hours leaving many embarrassed for even picking up the CNN story. Tom Brokal (sp) and Richard Engel spent 4 months trying to verify this story and were unable to. Minka Brizensky is greatly embarrassed that MSNBC and others even commented on such an unsubstantiated story.
It's not a non story, they could not validate it but there was enough credence that they couldn't dismiss it. And before you try and label a witch hunt by the media, the media had this for MONTHS and said nothing until it was given in a briefing.
Morning Joe is a Trump stooge program. Ask Megyn Kelly.
Eugene Robinson, Minka, and everyone else other than Joe Scarborough are all democrats!!! Minka said she would gladly discuss when it IS a story. Tom Brokal said him and Engel spent 4 months looking into this and found NOTHING!!!!!
You're not going to get through to them. These are the same people who screamed Sessions was a racist but are completely silent as their party puts an actual racist (even their beloved SPLC calls the Nation of Islam a hate organization) in charge.
They want to believe they're rebels fighting the evil empire or internet marching in Selma in 1965.
#3409 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:For real, that the CIA was the easily duped and the media just ran with it because of their loathing of Trump. You wonder why he's not going to give them the access they want. You wonder why he called it a witch hunt. And now the CIA will be dismantled and rebuilt. Time to kick their asses out of Langley and into the fucking war zones.
SLC, dude. Wow. Saying the inauguration should be canceled. Pence shouldn't server. Talk about egg. Maybe now you guys will take a fucking break. How many times can you say retarded shit before you make sure there's a hint of truth.
ID saying it was Trump fucking underage girls. Just as really. You guys lost all credibility with the manner you wished it to be true. You are birthers.
This isn't fake news yet. To the contrary, the media has had this for months and not all of it has been discredited. It was mentioned because it was in a CIA report briefing. Russia most likely has something on Trump. If he doesn't release his taxes he should not he given the oath. He said he would, he lied.
And I gave a hypothetical on underage girls, for which he is being sued for. Let me repeat, he is being sued by a woman who said he raped her when she was a 13 year old girl. Some of you were trying pin the lolita express on Bill, when Trump traveled with the ring leader of the pedophile network and was singled out by one of the girls. I had no idea about this when I made up the hypothetical.
Except he isn't being sued, the case was dismissed. I never said that Clinton was fucking underage kids. Just that if you were going to all of a sudden claim Trump was, you had to accept Clinton was too since he was on the same fucking plane no less than 5 times without a SS detail. I'm starting to realize why the internet has the reputation it does. You guys are becoming far too rabid and irrational in your claims. At least with Obama we didn't have a bunch of posters flooding every thread with birther tripe. It's going to be like it was under Bush again with Truther nonsense and loose change links every other post.
#3410 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago
For real, that the CIA was the easily duped and the media just ran with it because of their loathing of Trump. You wonder why he's not going to give them the access they want. You wonder why he called it a witch hunt. And now the CIA will be dismantled and rebuilt. Time to kick their asses out of Langley and into the fucking war zones.
SLC, dude. Wow. Saying the inauguration should be canceled. Pence shouldn't server. Talk about egg. Maybe now you guys will take a fucking break. How many times can you say retarded shit before you make sure there's a hint of truth.
ID saying it was Trump fucking underage girls. Just as really. You guys lost all credibility with the manner you wished it to be true. You are birthers.
