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#3421 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago

Hasn't SCOTUS ruled pornography is protected by the 1st Amendment?  I'll have to look it up to be sure, but I could swear I've read a case where it was discussed.

#3422 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Sessions up now. I have stated I don't care for him... this is one selection I am fine with Trump being forced to look elsewhere. That said, he may do a damn fine job.


If he removes citizenship for anchor babies, I don't care what else he does.  Force the Dems to take it to SCOTUS and end this farce once and for all.

#3423 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago

So you criticize him for using the deductions then get upset that he's going to remove them?

I'm very much in favor of reforming the tax code. Too many deductions and the system is easily gamed. I make enough money I'm sure I'm pissing away thousands each year, but I do a quick 1040 every year myself. Nothing deducted for charity or other things. Kind of defeats the purpose. I hope this becomes more main stream. Pay your fair share and what you owe.

If I hadn't seen the original video where he used the same hand gestures to describe someone before and after he discusses the reporter, I'd believe it was malice too. But that seems to be Trumps ways of describing someone who is flustered. So in this case, I don't believe he was mocking the disabled.

But like I said earlier,  you don't need to search far to find offensive shit Trump actually said and meant.

#3424 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

You want to attack Trump for some of the really stupid shit he said, start with his comments on John McCain.  You don't need to fabricate shit to make him look bad.

I honestly thought that was going to be the end of his primary run.

Me too.  if the GOP had been more like the DNC and put its foot down on their candidates, Trump never would have been elected.  I have a feeling they won't be making that mistake again.  I'm not going to say Trump is the end of the world until he actually starts to fuck shit up. Appointing qualified people (for the most part, still confused about Carson) who share his business acumen, isn't a radical proposition. 

A lot of pundits said they cried wolf during 2008 and 2012, and that they were finally serious in 2016.  If they scream murder at everything Trump does, they're going to harm themselves when they really want to be taken serious when Trump does something really stupid.

#3425 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

Trump is very foolish to reply to this shit. Just shut the Fuck up already Trump!!


I disagree on this point.  Yes, he needs to get the fuck off twitter and ignore 99% of the shit out there.  But claims he mocked a disabled reporter just aren't true. 

  Don't attack his policies, attack his demeanor.  It's a method for losers who are unable to defend their own positions. 

Yes, we should should limit immigration from terrorist hot beds until we can say with great confidence they won't be  a threat.

Yes, we have a border and we should defend it.

Yes, our primary focus should be on America and Americans.


Notice how people won't argue against those ideas.  They just call them racist because coming out and saying "we shouldn't have a border and anyone who wants to enter the US should be allowed" isn't a defensible position.  So yell racist and you don't have to show everyone how insane your beliefs are.

You want to attack Trump for some of the really stupid shit he said, start with his comments on John McCain.  You don't need to fabricate shit to make him look bad.

#3426 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 487 weeks ago

We need to call the FBI and CIA that Atari Legend has an opinion he is expressing on the US election.  I know Obama was in the UK advocating against Brexit, I know Obama used tax payer dollars to influence the Israeli election.  But Russia releasing documents from the DNC is a bridge too far.  It's the worst attack since 9/11.

#3427 Re: The Garden » The Rant Thread » 488 weeks ago

AtariLegend wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
johndivney wrote:

What a fuckin joke.
His username was Waffen-SS & he pretends he doesn't know why he was banned, or that evil visited his door 16

I keep it simple and use RF or some variant of that character for all my toons and accounts.

I'm almost shocked you don't use ethnic slayer_1982.


You're so witty and intelligent. It's no wonder you've been able to convince so many people of your position.

#3428 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 488 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

It's not retarded....it's socialism. A form of government that exists successfully all over the world. Here's where I get so confused. I've seen you post about the rising costs of higher education and ridicule the current system. There are other options to consider to ameliorate this problem. You could remove government student loans....or you could do what Bernie suggested.

I stand by my comments. You're a Bernie supporter. You made that clear at the start. Here are some of your comments during the election. Read them now and you'll see why they're problematic for the DNC and why they knew Sanders supporters were a liability that needs to be kept at arms length.

"I dunno...I don't know if the U.S. deserves to survive. Not in its current form anyway. If this is really the best the world can do...I think I'm disappointed."

"who cares what the minn. wage is....ain't no one but the bottom of the barrel gonna work for that....and then they're gonna go do crack on their time off and miss work the next day"

"James, PaSnow....others....
If you learn conservative, and you truly believe Trump has lost....I would have to turn to outrage if I were you.
There is no excuse for Trump to have 1 office in Florida while Clinton has 50+. There is literally no excuse. This is a state that is won by a few thousand votes some times. He wasted a lot of time, money and resources. He wasted an election cycle. Now Republicans might be asking, "how bad is the damage going to be." In other words, who else is Trump going to cost during this election cycle? Democrats have the inside track to take back the Senate. It's not a sure thing by any means...but Trump is helping the cause."

"Do you know why? Hillary doesn't do any interviews because she doesn't have to.
That's how garbage Donald is as a candidate.
Hillary is kneeling the ball in the third quarter."

"I'm sick of this. I don't care how corrupt or terrible Hillary is which has far less facts to support it then obviously all of the Donald's, if you want to make your decisions based on propaganda then go right ahead.
If Donald went to the White House and called Obama a nigger and raped Michelle you guys would support it.
I support Hillary even with all of the alleged corruption."


"He will not win Wisconsin there's no chance. Wisconsin is weird because they have Scott Walker at governor. But Trump didn't even come close to winning the primary there. He is not well liked in Wisconsin."

#3429 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 488 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:

I am still glad the hacks happened. The end result justified the means. We found out how shady and corrupt our folks can be. It is a shame that Russia had to reveal this. Russia is not our friend. They "shouldn't" have hacked but the info we got was valuable.

The question you should be asking is...why didn't they reveal Trump's tax returns...or anything about Trump for that matter...

If you're going to hack...you must have an agenda....

Hacking the IRS is a tad more difficult than a non government system. But you know why, Russia wanted to harm Clinton to increase the odds Trump won.

One of the interesting tidbits in the released report is one of the reasons why Russia wanted Trump over Clinton. Putin believed Trump would be more likely to assist in wiping out ISIS over Clinton. Based on what she allowed to happen in State and what Obama allowed to happen, I can certainly see the logic.

#3430 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 488 weeks ago

misterID wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:

I am still glad the hacks happened. The end result justified the means. We found out how shady and corrupt our folks can be. It is a shame that Russia had to reveal this. Russia is not our friend. They "shouldn't" have hacked but the info we got was valuable.

That's a very cunt thing to say. It was worth reading backbiting comments on a campaign to justify Russians trying to influence our elections and undermine our democracy. Yes, the world needed to know this, we could not have survived the injustice of Democrats not wanting Bernie to get the nomination, it would have changed so much had she won. It was totally worth Russia committing cyber terrorism and espionage, and Julian Assange's little Hillary hard on, was so worth it because the oh so valuable, world changing information that Donna Brazil wanted Hillary to win.

You are a true patriot.

How was our democracy undermined?

I don't like Russia. I'm the only one here who has been anti Russia the entire time. The only one who has been anti Wikileaks from day one.

But how the fuck was our democracy undermined by Russia releasing the emails of the DNC?

For weeks after the election you were claiming Trump had an asterisk next to his name cause Clinton won the popular vote. It was anti Democratic you said. So how is showing how undemocratic the DNC truly is, in both their handling of Sanders and leaking information to Clinton ahead of debates, undermining democracy.

"Russia undermined our Democracy by showing how the DNC undermined democracy."

Do you not see the problem with this?

I have no problem with the DNC working to keep Sanders off their ballot. Sanders isn't a democrat. He had done nothing to benefit the party or its candidates. I can't think of anyone who has done more for the DNC than the Clinton's. the amount of money and campaign assistance they've provided the past 30 years is unprecedented. There is no doubt where their loyalties lie. Sanders isn't even decent enough to change his party affiliation to the DNC. So I get why Schultz and the party didn't want Sanders taking advantage of their infrastructure.

But they lied about it. They publicly said they weren't advocating on Clinton's behalf. And they got caught. No one else is to blame but themselves for creating this predicament.

But the DNC wants to exploit the retards who think a $15 minimum wage and free college and healthcare for all is feasible. The GOP is no different. They use the retarded tea party types for the same purpose. I have very close friends in both the GOP and DNC and both privately mock the Sanders/occupy and tea party dipshits for their beliefs. But they both acknowledge the importance of their activism come campaign time, so they tolerate them.

The difference is it was crystal clear the GOP was working to keep Trump out. Name one serious primary candidate in the GOP who didn't call Trump a fraud. Now contrast that with the DNC's public persona regarding Sanders and what we know happened behind the curtain.

So tell me again how Russia undermined our democracy by revealing the truth?

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