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#3481 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 490 weeks ago

You have to be a special kind of retarded to say "my culture sucks, so I'm going to bring in hordes of people who don't speak my language so they can change our culture."  Yes, American culture is superior to all other cultures.  If I didn't feel that way, I wouldn't be living here.  But since I've traveled to every continent but Africa (soon to be fixed in April!) I'm a hell of a lot more qualified than you or other vacationers who spent a week in Paris and think they have a clue.  We're at the point where displaying the American flag in school can be considered offensive.  That's going full fucking retard.

#3482 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 490 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
misterID wrote:

States should not be voting, the people should. You know as well as I do a a lot of Democrats and center left independents in Alabama and Tennessee don't vote specifically because their votes don't mean shit. Election day sucks for me.


And you don't think that's true of republicans in NY or CA?  The rules are based on the EC, so the candidates campaigned based on the EC.  If the popular vote was how they handled the election, both Trump and Clinton would have campaigned differently.  And yes ID, admitting millions of Hispanics and giving citizenship to their children is how California went from Reagan to solid blue.  Or are we supposed to be ok with the left desiring millions of unskilled laborers dropping off babies so they can't be deported.

Dropping off babies?

At the end of the day, I find it ironic that a free-market capitalist is pissed about somebody who is willing to do it cheaper and better.


It has nothing to do with their wage and the fact something like 70%+ of illegal immigrants are reliant on welfare via their anchor baby.  They don't speak english, so their kids fucks up the class room for everyone else because the school has to hire an interpreter.  They're not paying payroll taxes and often live in large family settings, paying a lesser amount of property taxes, essentially getting a free education on citizens backs.  We don't owe non US Citizens the time of day, let alone an american standard of living.   

I could give two fucks about the color of their skin or what food they prefer.  I care that they adhere to our laws, contribute and adapt to our culture.  The DNC has removed speaking English as a requirement to amnesty/citizenship in their 2016 platform.  They're not doing what's in the best interest of America, but what is in the best interest of their party getting and keeping power.  Bring in all the immigrants you want so long as they're able to get work immediately and contribute to being an American.  I have no interests in bringing in poor foreigners who aren't interested in becoming American, only living under the comfort America provides.

#3483 Re: Management » Trouble Getting to the Forum » 490 weeks ago

The site has been much faster the past 2 or 3 days.  Were changes made to the server?

#3484 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 490 weeks ago

misterID wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:

Do you guys prefer this map?

http://i0.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-conte … ty-map.png

And ID, THEIR VOTE DOES COUNT, NY and California both went for HRC.

States should not be voting, the people should. You know as well as I do a a lot of Democrats and center left independents in Alabama and Tennessee don't vote specifically because their votes don't mean shit. Election day sucks for me.


And you don't think that's true of republicans in NY or CA?  The rules are based on the EC, so the candidates campaigned based on the EC.  If the popular vote was how they handled the election, both Trump and Clinton would have campaigned differently.  And yes ID, admitting millions of Hispanics and giving citizenship to their children is how California went from Reagan to solid blue.  Or are we supposed to be ok with the left desiring millions of unskilled laborers dropping off babies so they can't be deported.

#3485 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 490 weeks ago

Do you know what "obviate" means?

Are you serious. You can't even refer to the fucking federalist papers on your own. You're that fucking misinformed. So you find some article that made a lazy argument for you. It takes one quote, out of context, and uses a big word you obviously don't fucking know. If Madison obviated it, it means it was a solution to a non existent argument or problem before it manifested. In the larger context of the electoral college, he realized it could be exploited and had a solution before it was even thought of.  Kind of like how the Democrats couldn't win with the demographics of the 20th century America, so they've found a back door via illegal Hispanics who vote democratic once legalized 2nd only to blacks in percentage.

Take one second and think outside your bubble. Read the fucking federalist papers and maybe you'll learn something.  Read Federalist Papers 68 and tell me what slavery had to do with it.

#3486 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 490 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

No way, we have an ec to protect the rights of slave owners. Every vote should matter.


That's horse shit. The EC had nothing to do with slavery. Another bullshit lie with no basis in fact. The EC was all about protecting low population states from the tyranny of the majority. Read the fucking federalist papers. Point in case, calling something racist because you lack the knowledge and ability to argue your point.

Get used to it because you're never going to get 38 states to pass an amendment changing it. California shouldn't dictate the election.

#3487 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 491 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

Oh my god, what a bunch of pansies... You are literally making up arguments now. SG, give it a fucking rest. Like you really give a shit, youre a trained monkey repeating the rigged Trump talking points. Don't say shit about wanting fairness until the RNC emails are leaked.

What would they tell us?  That the RNC didn't want Trump as their nominee?  We already knew that and Trump drew power from it.  I don't think you're going to find Reibus leaking debate questions to Trump.

That's the difference you refuse to acknowledge. Clinton and the DNC denied the fix was in. Brazier or whatever her name is flat out lied, denying she sent the questions trying to claim they were fabricated. You saw Schultz fix the primary for Clinton. You saw Podesta acknowledge Clinton knew what she had on her server was problematic if not illegal, despite Hillary lying and playing the "ahh shucks" card early on.

Even if Russia/Putin was behind every release, they gave the American public the TRUTH. If that's an attack in your book, There's no common ground to discuss.

The media made Trump out to be a clown from day one. They mocked his every word and turned every comment into an attack on some group. Yes, Trump said a lot of incredibly stupid shit and rightly deserves criticism. But despite the bonafide propaganda machine coming from the media who we have evidence was consorting with the Clinton campaign, Trump still overcame. That you're outraged that Russia revealed the truth but have no outrage at how our media was nothing more than a voice for Obama and Clinton is truly frightening. Don't give you the truth, you're perfectly fine with liberal talking points and mocking Trump and the half of the country that voted for him.

#3488 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 491 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
PaSnow wrote:

I still fail to see how in 3 months time because the economy is great it's entirely all Trump (not the President who REBOUNDED the economy the past 8 years after the terrible disaster that was our last President) all the while knowing in 4 years the economy could very well be in the toilet again?!!


Definitely pre-emptive thinking. Let's calm down a bit, shall we.


You don't think the DOW and $ have anything to do with Trump.  It's just a coincidence they jumped after he was elected?  What the fuck has Obama done for business?  He's done nothing but create more red tape the past 8 years.

Now you're just a hypocrite.  You talk repeatedly about the "silence" by us Dems when we don't reply to your post within an 8 hour time span (some of us do other things like work, date, watch Netflix), yet here you are spouting off because the markets at an all time high for a few days.  Well guess what, the markets been at an all time high for 4 YEARS!!!  Where were you posting about stocks & the Dow in February 2013 when it eclipsed its previous mark?  And the 4 consecutive years it continuously has risen??  How about not voting for the Republican in 2008 because 'the stocks' were a shitshow?!

Lemme check for your posts..  Hmmmmm, not finding any hits.  Yet here you are suddenly now that Obama is leaving and it's suddenly about these 'record numbers'.   Record numbers which have been going on Obama's entire second term.


You misunderstand my comment on silence. Members of this forum will suffer a stroke if someone with an (R) next to their name does  something. But remain completely silent when that behavior is done with a (D). Point in case people calling Bush a war criminal and demanding he be tried for war crimes. Hundreds of posts on the topic. But not a single post on Obama's use of drones or assasinating an American citizen.

When their silence is brought up to question their conviction or whether or not it's just being a partisan shrill, their argument is "you can't define my silence."  So when 93% of blacks are killed by other blacks, yet someone only comments when the media feeds some bullshit story of a blood thirsty cop out to kill him a negro, I think it's perfectly acceptable to point out the hypocrisy and lack of real conviction.

Or when someone celebrated Wikileaks and Manning, or shared the Romney video, but feigns outrage that the truth was revealed by Wikileaks, I have to call their motives suspect.  Especially when weeks ago the President denied any involvement or influence from a foreign power and Clinton derides Trump for not agreeing to accept the results and calling the election fixed, then after they lose turn a 180 and do everything they criticized Trump for.

#3489 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 491 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:
PaSnow wrote:

I still fail to see how in 3 months time because the economy is great it's entirely all Trump (not the President who REBOUNDED the economy the past 8 years after the terrible disaster that was our last President) all the while knowing in 4 years the economy could very well be in the toilet again?!!


Definitely pre-emptive thinking. Let's calm down a bit, shall we.


You don't think the DOW and $ have anything to do with Trump.  It's just a coincidence they jumped after he was elected?  What the fuck has Obama done for business?  He's done nothing but create more red tape the past 8 years.

You're right...everything good that's ever happened over the last 8 years couldn't possibly account for what Trump has done in his 0 days in office.


I don't think you know how the stock market and financial systems work.  So to flip it, what has Obama done that has led to these increases that occurred the day after Trump was elected.  Who do you think is a better President for business and the stock market?  The answer is self evident.

#3490 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 491 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

Now the FBI joins the CIA in support of their allegations...

Now conservatives have to disparage another agency that disagrees with their narrative.


No, I think the GOP leadership joined Democrats in calling for an immediate hearing on the claims, and the CIA declined.  People are asking the Electorals vote anyone but Trump because of this claim, and the CIA won't provide any information to Congress before the EC votes?  If they have information that Trump worked with Putin to impact the election, that is treason and the American people should be made aware of that immediately.  If all they're going to say is what we already know, Putin was pissed that Clinton tried to influence his election so he returned the favor by only releasing DNC emails, that's not quite the same now is it?

I said when Comey released that letter a week before the election that it had to be something major, because I found it unfathomable he would do that with nothing new to provide.  I said that on this forum and have since stated he should resign for that stunt.  How much it impacted the election is impossible to say, but there is no denying it did.  We have the same thing here now with the CIA.  If they have something, brief Congressional leadership and the President behind closed doors if it's that sensitive.  But if our two major intelligence agencies are going to start playing politics to upset the American people, that's a hell of a lot bigger problem than if Russia leaked FACTUAL and ACCURATE emails from the DNC.

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