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#341 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 267 weeks ago

Looks like the US & Allies have lost control of the airfield. All military flights are now halted for time being until forces can regain control of the runways etc. This still includes US and other Western citizens and Afghans who were promised an escape.

This is getting worse. Fast.

#342 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 267 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:
Axl S wrote:

Won't share the one where you can see people falling from the plane but if you go on Twitter you'll find it.

All just so sad. And unlike Saigon, more of it will be seen and it will be beamed round the world instantly.

Just saw it. Incredibly sad… they need to send troops in to secure the fvcking airport and stop this shit show.


There are two parts to the airport. Civilian and military. The US has troops securing the parts of the airport they need but it's a fluid situation. They do already have thousands of troops there securing the airport though.

#343 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 267 weeks ago

Won't share the one where you can see people falling from the plane but if you go on Twitter you'll find it.

All just so sad. And unlike Saigon, more of it will be seen and it will be beamed round the world instantly.

#344 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 267 weeks ago

James wrote:

People are grabbing on to planes as they take off and falling to their deaths.

Insanity.




It's depressing. This pull out has been a shambles, the negotiated deal a shambles and the abandonment of the Aghan's who aided the US & Allies mission is appalling.

#345 Re: Guns N' Roses » Will GNR release new music in 2021? » 267 weeks ago

They could be the best of friends and it wouldn't matter. They're not in their 20s crashing on each other's sofas anymore.

Look at Metallica, those guys still get along to a much better extent than GN'R. They aren't hanging around with acoustic guitars and jamming, but are coming to their writing sessions with ideas they each worked up. Some shit may get done together whilst in the studio but they're not doing shit the way they used to.

They have families and separate lives now. And rightly so they're all 50+.

#346 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 267 weeks ago

Also Mitch, why are you trying to pop off at other posters in this thread. I may lean more your way politically but talking to other folk here is more pleasant.

You are such a shit stirrer.

#347 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 267 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

A reasonable question is how much is Russia behind the Taliban’s troop movements.

Based on that bounty program where the paid militants linked to the Taliban to kill American soldiers I would be surrpised if there wasn't involvement on some level. Would also not be surprised if there was some help from China.

https://www.ft.com/content/d7d7f627-92f … 6a8ef18a2e

But they have to walk a line and not stage mass executions.  People are going to be slaughtered, but if it’s off camera the west will do nothing.

They already began

https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1426795528227000323?s=19



Smoking Guns wrote:
Axl S wrote:

What a clusterfuck. Not much more needs to be said. This is going to be analysed for years to come.

Fuck up starts with how Trump sets this in motion, giving up so much for the optics of being seen to do something and getting so little in return.

Having Baradar released in 2018 without some guarantees. Stupid.
Signing that agreement in 2020, without also having some sort of power-sharing agreement negotiated and signed at the same time. Also, stupid.
Biden inheriting this hand and then handling the exit in such a rushed, disorganised manner. Extra stupid

Biden agreed with Trump with wanting to get out, but he did not do what Trump was going to do. He does opposite of trump on everything else, so don’t think he is following Trump’s plan when he never does on anything else.


Biden has screwed up the exit, I said this. The seeds for this begin with the deal that your guy negotiated and signed off on. One that he no doubt described as "marvelous deal, beautiful deal, some people are saying the greatest deal in the middle east that anyone ever did".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51689443

"Within the first 135 days of the deal the US will reduce its forces in Afghanistan to 8,600, with allies also drawing down their forces proportionately.

The move would allow US President Donald Trump to show that he has brought troops home ahead of the US presidential election in November."

Doing things by arbitrary dates just for electoral gain is definitely a solid base for a great plan. /s

Also this:

"The deal also provides for a prisoner swap. Some 5,000 Taliban prisoners and 1,000 Afghan security force prisoners would be exchanged by 10 March, when talks between the Taliban and the Afghan government are due to start."

A shitty lopsided prisoner exchange with no guarantee or caveat about the outcome of power-sharing negotiations.

This deal sold the Afghan government down the river. Once the Taliban's got this deal there was no impetus for them to negotiate anything in good faith. That deal gives up all leverage.


Biden then compounds the mess with his exit plan. Clusterfuck, from top to bottom and from one admin to the next.

#348 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 267 weeks ago

James wrote:

My God....his statements.

That will play on a loop in ads during his reelection campaign.

They're getting looped already. They're a death sentence for him politically. Or at least they should be.

#349 Re: The Garden » Taliban control of Afghanistan on the 20th Anniversary of 9/11 » 267 weeks ago

What a clusterfuck. Not much more needs to be said. This is going to be analysed for years to come.

Fuck up starts with how Trump sets this in motion, giving up so much for the optics of being seen to do something and getting so little in return.

Having Baradar released in 2018 without some guarantees. Stupid.
Signing that agreement in 2020, without also having some sort of power-sharing agreement negotiated and signed at the same time. Also, stupid.
Biden inheriting this hand and then handling the exit in such a rushed, disorganised manner. Extra stupid

#350 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose at his best » 267 weeks ago

dalethirsty wrote:

how on earth does quick song sound like smells like teen spirit?


It's the riff. It is very similar.

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