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#3521 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 492 weeks ago
Oh, I'm not upset at all. I would have hand picked her to stay if my opinion mattered. She's the worst choice for the Democratic party. It proves that nothing was learned and your party has now officially squandered everything it got in 2006 and 2008. 10 years of control that will soon be a foot note in American history.
#3522 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 492 weeks ago
No outrage over Pelosi staying in a Minority Leader? Her only accomplishment in 10 years was barely getting Obamacare through the House. Now she's talking about stopping some of Trump's cabinet nominations. Maybe she should read the constitution because the House has no say on appointments. She's literally the least powerful person of note in the Democratic party.
#3523 Re: Guns N' Roses » New 4tus interview » 492 weeks ago
Pretty cool
#3524 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 492 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:polluxlm wrote:That's going to leave you short of sources I think.
Unless you really meant to say "websites not pushing a liberal narrative".
That would rob them of anything from Media Matters, Salon, HuffPo, Vox and MotherJones to name a few. Then any of their random OpEd pieces where some parent who promised their child the world is now in tears and telling their kid to stay strong as they're sent to Auschwitz.
This is absurd RF...you were posting plenty of fake news and even blogs last summer.
I think it's time we all take responsibility.
I don't recall linking blogs outside of Coulter and I don't think I've ever linked to a questionable news source for the same reasons mentioned above. And I'm not saying that anything on Salon is automatically false. But when your only support that Bannon is a member of the alt-right is a reporter from Mother Jones, that doesn't pass the legitimacy test to me.
The only bullshit news I've fallen victim to and a good friend called me out were the claims of Democrats paying protesters. Plenty of evidence to show Unions doing that, but not a single piece of evidence tying it to the Democratic party.
#3525 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 492 weeks ago
Can we have an agreement we will no longer post unsubstantiated stories from murky, unknown and plain out crazy news websites?
That's going to leave you short of sources I think.
Unless you really meant to say "websites not pushing a liberal narrative".
That would rob them of anything from Media Matters, Salon, HuffPo, Vox and MotherJones to name a few. Then any of their random OpEd pieces where some parent who promised their child the world is now in tears and telling their kid to stay strong as they're sent to Auschwitz.
#3526 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 493 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:misterID wrote:The Ford thing wasn't true, James. There was going to be no lost jobs to Mexico, it was a huge fat lie Trump told on Twitter. Yeah, Carrier was just one, there are way more manufacturing jobs in Indiana that are going to Mexico. I'm happy anytime jobs are saved, but I was reading that Carrier was going to save something like 68 million a year by going to Mexico. So I'm a little concerned what devil is in the details here. I've heard the employees would have to have their pay cut to at least $5 an hour. And another concern, whatever deal they're getting, what's going to stop more companies from going to Washington asking for a deal or threaten to go to Mexico. Let's see this play out.
Trump has hired nothing but inside Wall Street guys so far.
So maybe Trump helps end the absurd wages unions demand for unskilled labor, which makes outsourcing jobs less desirable?
Our last president got a noble prize for making people feel good before he was even sworn in. This one has raised the DOW to a record high and saved thousands of jobs before he was sworn in. I'll take reality over the hugs any day.
Gimme a break. I'm all for union reform, but we have unions because big business has shown over and over again they cannot be trusted and continually fuck over their workers, even tothe point of putting their health and well being in jeopardy. He didn't do a mother fucking thing to save those jobs. Pence did. Pence is governor of the state. He is paying this company, with Indiana tax payers covering the bill, in an already cash strapped state. Trump has zero authority to make this deal. It could totally be possible this was a deal that was agreed to before he made Pence VP. I'm happy those workers are keeping their jobs, but it's only for "right now" it doesn't mean they will keep those jobs.
And if makes you feel all warm and fuzzy about the dow, well consider this: it's up because they're betting on the fact that Trump lied to his base and loaded his cabinet with Goldman Sachs executives who will roll back as many regulations as possible, including Mnuchin who likes to buy struggling banks just so he can foreclose on thousands of people because its easy money, and a billionaire can always use more money by destroying people. The very people who force these companies to squeeze every penny they can to increase profit margins so they outsource. That's not unions, bubba, that's Wall Street execs who would rather pay a Mexican a months wages that they would have to pay an American in a week. They're betting on a wild west Wall Street where the lunatics run the asylum, where MORE companies will outsource. Have fun on that.
https://news.grabien.com/story-flashbac … r-plant-us
Guess Pence is his magic wand then. What does crow taste like?
He just nominated the greatest general since Vietnam to lead the defense department. A general has been nominated for his National Security adviser. Petraeus is still in the run for State.
America is going to flex its muscles once again. This guy could be Reagan, and remember I voted against him.
It would be nice to have a President who puts America first again and actually gets shit done that makes it better for everyone who's an actual citizen.
#3527 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 493 weeks ago
The Ford thing wasn't true, James. There was going to be no lost jobs to Mexico, it was a huge fat lie Trump told on Twitter. Yeah, Carrier was just one, there are way more manufacturing jobs in Indiana that are going to Mexico. I'm happy anytime jobs are saved, but I was reading that Carrier was going to save something like 68 million a year by going to Mexico. So I'm a little concerned what devil is in the details here. I've heard the employees would have to have their pay cut to at least $5 an hour. And another concern, whatever deal they're getting, what's going to stop more companies from going to Washington asking for a deal or threaten to go to Mexico. Let's see this play out.
Trump has hired nothing but inside Wall Street guys so far.
So maybe Trump helps end the absurd wages unions demand for unskilled labor, which makes outsourcing jobs less desirable?
Our last president got a noble prize for making people feel good before he was even sworn in. This one has raised the DOW to a record high and saved thousands of jobs before he was sworn in. I'll take reality over the hugs any day.
#3528 Re: The Sunset Strip » Westworld » 493 weeks ago
This show is fucking awesome. Makes the Walking Dead look like a joke. I am fully caught up. This is almost on Game of Thrones level for me.
Did anyone ever think the walking dead was intelligently written? Entertaining, sure. But it's basically Dancing with the stars with zombies
#3529 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 494 weeks ago
It was real in 2008 when the birther bullshit was led by Trump. It was real in 2010 when the tea party allowed the GOP to take over the house.
I think both of these groups are fucking retards. But at least the Tea Party, under the Koch brothers, were able to organize and have an historic election. I don't think those who hate Trump will be able to do the same thing. The protests have nearly ended, but blocking traffic and behaving like a toddler doesn't do anything to win people over.
The people out being assholes didn't even vote. That's the problem. And it's not new. The young are always your most idealistic and irrational, but they're also the laziest and least organized. And this same group heavily favored Bernie, who wasn't given a fair game. Had Clinton carried these people like Obama did, she would have won. Again, it all goes back to her. I've always believed that Bill Clinton didn't win so much in 92 rather than George H. Bush lost it. I think that applies here too. Trump didn't win, Hillary lost it.
She refused to do an interview or talk unscripted for 6 months. Meanwhile Trump is on tv or Skype with anyone who will have him. She let Trump happen. She rigged the primary. She bent the law with her emails and donations. She never came across as likable. She rightfully or not, came from the most scandal ridden family in American history.
The people love Obama and his down to earth demeanor. People loved her husband. He did a campaign stop in my hometown that went 80% Trump. People who voted for Trump waited to shake his hand because they liked Bill Clinton that much and would vote for him if they could. She didn't capture any of that. She presented herself and was received as the expert to keep everything going the same direction. But the people of the heartland didn't want to stay on the same direction that continued to marginalize them and mock them behind closed doors. Burger King tastes fucking good, and an ice cold Miller Lite is fantastic after a long day cutting grass. I hope people that agree will start being listened to and not viewed as an irrelevant, outdated demographic.
Yes, she won the popular vote. But that's irrelevant. The rules of the game are the electoral college. It's safe to say both candidates would have campaigned differently if the popular vote was how we elected the president. But the constitution is quite clear on the matter and you're never going to get "fly over" country to agree to amend it. So it's pointless to point out the conclusion of a game we're not playing.
#3530 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 494 weeks ago
Hillary didn't do anything like that. Total false equivalency. She wasn't trying to bend or break the rules, she took the advice of an advisor who said it was okay. There was never any seriously classified material. There was never ever a smoking gun. Nothing close to what you mentioned. No wife fucking.
Im glad you're qualified to dictate what is really "classified" material. But if something is marked "secret" or "top secret" or originated from a classified system (like drone footage) it's classified.
Here's your smoking gun:
http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/clinton … le/2579993
Feel free to look for alternate sources. But there's no room for discussion on this topic. You're free to say you don't care or it didn't matter. But the law is the law and Hillary Clinton lost the election because of her actions. Not some article 30k people on facebook read.
I don't want Russia involved in our elections either. But I don't make much of a distinction between articles written by the KGB or Al Jazeera. They're both foreign organizations.
I don't want dishonest media either. But how many of your favorite sites are claiming Sioux burial grounds are being destroyed, despite it being demonstrably false.
