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#3611 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 496 weeks ago
PaSnow wrote:Dow Jones Feb 2009 - 7,068
Dow Jones Nov 2016 - 18,259Unemployment rate Feb 2009 - 8.3
Unemployment rate Oct 2016 - 4.9Here come the excuses, but those are pretty solid numbers considering his Republican opponent wanted to temporarily suspend his own campaign the economy was so atrocious. I could search for other numbers but don't feel like it. We'll know how his legacy was in more like 5-10 years anyway. Neither Reagan nor Clinton left as 'Great Presidents'. My Prediction: Obama exceeds both of them. Mark my words.
Exactly, but see, they don't accept these numbers or facts. One of the funniest is that, considering our economy was on the verge of collapse when he took office, the rescue wasn't quick enough. I will say, Trump is doing an amazing job at making W. look good.
How many people of working age were employed in 2008? How many now? How many were on government assistance in 2008, how many now?
You guys want to throw around a loaded statistic and your only comment is "it wasn't a problem to use this statistic before." No, Obama wasn't the end of the world that many including me, predicted in 2008.
Yes, Trump is a clusterfuck and Clinton was the only choice that a rational person would make. But your collective refusal to recognize the weakened state and authority of the US following 8 years of Obama at the head is telling.
The constitution is the law of the land here. If you want to change it, adhere to its requirements. That so many of you are unwilling to take a step back and continually evaluate your beliefs and positions is why our government is broken.
If you're happy that Clinton wins tomorrow, you're part of the problem, not the solution. If you can read those emails and still believe the DNC gives one fuck about the poor and middle class, you're not paying attention.
#3612 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 496 weeks ago
Ragnar wrote:misterID wrote:SG claims he's not a Trumpster, either. Obama being the worst president ever is what I was calling out...which, IMO, is complete nonsense.
No. it`s true. Iran debacle alone automatically renders him a complete and utter bellend. It`s comical how Obamatards blame Bush for every fuckup their prince almighty has committed.
I've always been confused by conservatives and Republicans who always want to go to war. You'll be the first ones to bitch about taxes and government spending until it comes to war. And then they can't wait to spend.
Do you or do you not want to police the world? Are you suggesting that we start a war with Russia? Because both Republicans and Democrats for damn near 90 years have tried to avoid that. I think everyone knows no one benefits.
How many wars did the US fight in the 20th century? How many were started under Democratic presidents and congress? Don't get me wrong, 5k Americans dead so Arabs who can't read or write can piss away their chance at leaving the middle ages is 5k too many. But that 5k pales in comparison to the hundreds of thousands who died in the 20th century for causes no more worthy than the desire to liberate Iraq and Afghanistan. Unless you're arguing European lives are worth more than people of color?
You guys have no problem putting American lives in jeopardy when it's connected to some bleeding heart idea that has no connection to the US or its Constitution (see Rwanda, Somalia, etc.). Furthermore, people who affiliate with your party and come from similar urban skyrises are also the least likely to heed the call to personally sacrifice for their beliefs. In short, the modern Democratic ideology is nothing but mental masturbation for those too weak and stupid to succeed on their own. It's for parasites who would have been executed or kicked out of their clan/tribe were this 400 years ago. If you're not willing to lay down your own happiness and life for these values, you must not hold to them that strongly.
#3613 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 496 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:People are extra forgiving to Barack because he is half black and they don't want to sound like a racist but he has been horrible in many ways.
See when you make statements like that, how do you expect people not to think that you use race or skin color is a pretext to analyzing, assessing, and then criticizing the policies and decisions of another human being?
I am not sure what else to take from comments like that except that you use race and skin color as a pretext to determine and influence your line of thinking in terms of whether or not an idea for a policy was successful or not.
Your party's entire platform is predicated on race and identifying arbitrary differences to make people "special". You come in this forum and post some sob story about an exchange student who may or may not have been harmed because of his ethnicity. But remain absolutely mum when 30 people of color are butchered in your own city every week. You guys try to claim we can't define your silence, but we don't need to. What you feel obligated to comment on is a direct line into what you find important. The hypocrisy and double standards to which you feign moral outrage says it all.
Your party doesn't give a fuck about poor whites in Appalachia. Jim Webb brought this up in the first primary debate and was mocked for it. The war on poverty has resulted in your adopted community having a less than 50% high school graduation rate and 70% out of wedlock births - more than any other demographic. So yes, you're not interested in actual results in policy, but what aligns with your unqualified white guilt. Your party has accomplished nothing but celebrating ignorance and keeping those least advantaged enslaved to government assistance programs. If people of color can't achieve equality on their merits and achievements alone, then maybe it's time they abandon the moronic belief systems that tell them they can live free of consequence?
#3614 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 497 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:You guys love screaming race, and I'm not saying I agree 100% with what the counties did, but if you're not living at your registered address, you don't vote in that precinct. You guys refuse the most basic of verification to ensure someone is who they say they are, but demand every other aspect of our lives be verified by the government. Want to fish, need a license. Want to drive, take the $200 course and provide 20 documents. Want a gun, undergo a federal background check you have to pay for. But fuck having the slightest sanity check that prevents liberal groups from rounding up the homeless and offering a free donut if you check the block with a (D) next to it.
Homeless people shouldn't vote...you're right...
Also, I don't think anyone here is yelling race....the article points out these people who are removed from the roll call list were disproportionately black. It's a fact....not a talking point.
Also, I have to know... you have no comment on the Trump voter voted twice for Trump?
You guys keep telling me voter fraud doesn't happen. I can cite 20 instances of fraud the past few years. It's always handwaived as an anomaly. There are no checks in place to validate the integrity of the system.
Put them in jail. But don't pretend it's republicans overwhelmingly cooking the books. Felons, illegals, etc have no right to vote. But I guess it's ok that ACORN like groups register dead people in urban areas that vote overwhelming democratic.
Require a state ID and this shit goes away.
#3615 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 497 weeks ago
Speaking of voter suppression based on race, this today:
Federal Judge Says North Carolina Must Restore Voter Registrations Of Those Removed From Rolls
The North Carolina NAACP sued the state on Monday, claiming a purge targeted black voters.WASHINGTON ? County election boards in North Carolina must restore the registrations of voters removed from the polls, U.S. District Judge Loretta Biggs ordered on Friday.
The order follows an emergency hearing held on Wednesday to address allegations that election officials in Beaufort, Moore and Cumberland counties had removed voters from the rolls due to campaign mailers that were returned as undeliverable.
The North Carolina NAACP sued the state on Monday, claiming the purge targeted black voters. The Justice Department submitted a statement of interest in the lawsuit on Monday night supporting the assertion that removing voters from the rolls en masse is a violation of the National Voter Registration Act.
Biggs, who during the hearing called the state’s process for removing voters’ names “insane,” said in her ruling that the NC NAACP had proved that names were unfairly removed.
“The Court finds that a narrowly tailored injunction is warranted to ensure that eligible voters are not deprived of their right to participate in the upcoming election due to a flawed process engaged in by the State and County Boards, which this Court has determined likely violates the NVRA,” Biggs said in her decision.
“Voter enfranchisement cannot be sacrificed when citizens through no fault of their own have been removed from the voter rolls,” she added.
Rev. William Barber, the president of the NC NAACP, said the court ruled against “surgical, intention racism.”
“Racism is about policy,” Barber said on a call with reporters. “It’s not just about feelings, it’s not just about language. It’s when you use your power ? or attempt to use your power ? to undermine the rights of people and you target it toward African-Americans.”
The civil rights group argues that these cancellations are an attempt by the Republican Party to suppress the black vote, which is lower this year than it was in 2012.
At least 5,600 registrations have been removed in Cumberland County for varying reasons since 2014, while 790 and 63 were removed in Moore and Beaufort counties, respectively.
At least 3,500 voters were removed in the past 90 days, according to Penda Hair, an attorney representing the NAACP. The cancellations could have cost Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton the election, since most of the voters are black and tend to lean Democrat.
It’s still unclear whether or not those people will be able to vote on Election Day.
State law mandates that voters within any given county can challenge the eligibility of another voter in that county up to 25 days before the election.
But the National Voter Registration Act says states can only cancel registrations if a voter provides written notice of a change in address or if a voter does not respond to a notice for two election cycles and fails to vote for two federal election cycles. States also cannot remove voters from the rolls 90 days or less before a federal election.
“What they’re doing is race-driven. It’s immoral, illegal and it is unconstitutional. The courts have spoken,” Barber said. “We’ve not seen this kind of intentional suppression since the days of Jim Crow.”
You guys love screaming race, and I'm not saying I agree 100% with what the counties did, but if you're not living at your registered address, you don't vote in that precinct. You guys refuse the most basic of verification to ensure someone is who they say they are, but demand every other aspect of our lives be verified by the government. Want to fish, need a license. Want to drive, take the $200 course and provide 20 documents. Want a gun, undergo a federal background check you have to pay for. But fuck having the slightest sanity check that prevents liberal groups from rounding up the homeless and offering a free donut if you check the block with a (D) next to it.
#3616 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 497 weeks ago
misterID wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:Have you ever taken a logic course?
Democrats control the Senate and Republicans control the house. Neither agrees on legislation and refuses to budge.
Your conclusion: "Fucking GOP obstructionist pigs. How dare they not rubber stamp what my party wants."
Republicans had both houses save a few months. You know they were obstructionists. Do you need an honesty course? Where is your integrity? Here's the list of historical obstructionism.
REPUBLICANS WALK AWAY FROM JOBS AND THE ECONOMY
Republicans walked away from a bipartisan Senate compromise, placing the payroll tax cut and unemployment insurance at risk. [12/20/11]
91 Republicans walked away from the measure to extend the payroll tax cut and unemployment insurance, and GOP leadership relied on 147 Democrats to pass it. [2/17/12]
Republicans walked away from the bipartisan Senate highway bill, which passed the Senate with 74 votes. [February-June 2012]
Republicans introduced their budget, which walked away from the Budget Control Act spending levels they agreed to in August 2011 [March 20, 2012]
93 Republicans walked away from reauthorizing the Export-Import Bank, and GOP leadership relied on 183 Democrats to pass the bill. [5/9/12]
52 Republicans walked away from a conference report to provide long-term highway funding, and GOP leadership relied on 187 Democrats to pass it. [6/29/12]
Republicans walked away from American workers by allowing part of the Trade Adjustment Assistance program, which provides critical job training and worker assistance, to expire. [12/31/13]
Republicans walked away from 1.3 million Americans by blocking consideration of legislation to renew emergency unemployment insurance, which expired on December 28. [1/9/14]
Republicans walked away from extending emergency unemployment assistance for people who lost their jobs on or before April 1, 2014. [1/15/14]
Republicans walked away from extending emergency unemployment assistance for people who lost their jobs on or before July 1, 2014. [1/28/14]
Republicans walked away from the Fair Minimum Wage Act, which increases the federal minimum wage for employees to $10.10 an hour. [2/26/14, 2/27/14, 4/2/14, 4/4/14, 4/29/14, 7/30/14]
Republicans walked away from extending emergency unemployment assistance for people who lost their jobs on or before January 1, 2015. [3/5/14, 3/6/14]
Republicans walked away from extending emergency unemployment assistance for people who lost their jobs on or before June 1, 2014. The measure Republicans voted against was identical to a bill that passed the Senate with bipartisan support. [4/8/14, 5/7/14]
REPUBLICANS WALK AWAY FROM FISCAL RESPONSIBILITYRepublicans walked away from the Bowles-Simpson Bipartisan Fiscal Commission. [12/3/10]
54 Republicans walked away from a Continuing Resolution that would keep the government funded for three weeks, and GOP leadership relied on 85 Democrats to pass the bill. [3/15/11]
59 Republicans walked away from a Continuing Resolution that would keep the government funded for the year, and GOP leadership relied on 81 Democrats to pass the bill. [4/14/11]
Majority Leader Cantor walked away from the Biden deficit reduction talks. [6/23/11]
Speaker Boehner walked away from deficit reduction negotiations with President Obama. [7/22/11]
66 Republicans walked away from a bill that would have ensured our nation paid its bills, and GOP leadership relied on 95 Democrats in order to avoid default and ensure America would meet its obligations. [8/1/11]
101 Republicans walked away from a conference report for the Agriculture, Commerce-Justice-Science, and Transportation-HUD appropriations bills for Fiscal Year 2012, and GOP leadership relied on 165 Democrats to pass the bill. [11/17/11]
Republicans walked away from the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction. [11/21/11]
86 Republicans walked away from the omnibus for the remaining nine appropriations bill for Fiscal Year 2012, and GOP leadership relied on 149 Democrats to pass the bill.[12/16/11]
151 Republicans walked away from preventing the fiscal cliff, and GOP leadership relied on 172 Democrats to pass the bill. [1/1/13]
Republicans walked away from the American people and refused to work with House Democrats to replace the sequester, allowing arbitrary, across-the-board spending cuts to go into effect. [2/1/13]
221 Republicans walked away from meeting our nation’s debt obligations by passing H.R. 807, the Pay China First Bill, placing America closer to the risk of default. [5/ 9/13]
144 Republicans walked away from ending the government shutdown, and GOP leadership relied on 198 Democrats to end it, which cost the economy $24 billion. [10/16/13]
REPUBLICANS WALK AWAY FROM WOMEN138 Republicans walked away from reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act, and GOP leadership relied on all 199 House Democrats to pass the legislation. [2/28/13]
Republicans walked away from working women by voting against the Paycheck Fairness Act, which ensures equal pay for equal work by prohibiting sex discrimination in the payment of wages. [4/8/14, 7/30/14]
REPUBLICANS WALK AWAY FROM STUDENTS52 Republicans walked away from a conference report to prevent student loan interest rates from doubling, and GOP leadership relied on 187 Democrats to pass it. [6/29/12]
Republicans walked away from America’s students and allowed student loan interest rates to double. [7/1/13]
REPUBLICANS WALK AWAY FROM COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORMAfter the Senate passed a bipartisan comprehensive immigration reform bill by a strong vote of 68-32, Republicans walked away from the majority of Americans who support comprehensive reform by refusing to bring it to the Floor. They also walked away from the bipartisan House bill, H.R. 15, four times. [3/26/14, 7/31/14, twice on 8/1/14]
House Republican leadership walked away from one of their own members by telling Republican Congressman Mario Diaz-Balart, responsible for crafting the House Republican version of immigration reform, that they wouldn’t be bringing his bill to the Floor for a vote. [7/10/14]
House Republican leaders, facing a conservative revolt, were forced to pull their border crisis funding bill and tack further to the right – passing a partisan bill that went nowhere in the Senate and failed to provide the necessary resources to address the humanitarian crisis at the border. [7/31/14]
REPUBLICANS WALK AWAY FROM AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARERepublicans walked away from access to affordable health care for the 53rd time by voting to undermine or repeal the Affordable Care Act and offering no alternative legislation to replace it – despite their campaign pledge to repeal and replace. [9/11/14]
REPUBLICANS WALK AWAY FROM DISASTER RELIEFIn the days immediately after Hurricane Sandy, 69 Republicans walked away from extending the National Flood Insurance program as families and businesses were actively assessing storm damage and making claims, and GOP leadership relied on 193 Democrats to keep the program operating. [1/4/13]
House Republican leadership refused to bring the Sandy supplemental aid bill to the Floor after the Senate passed it with strong bipartisan support. When a bill was brought to the Floor, 179 Republicans walked away from businesses and families affected by Hurricane Sandy, and GOP leadership relied on 192 Democrats to pass the bill. [1/15/13]
REPUBLICANS WALK AWAY FROM THE FARM COMMUNITYRepublicans walked away from America’s farm communities by failing to pass a farm bill after they added harmful, partisan amendments to the original bill that would make drastic cuts to critical nutrition programs and after they failed to secure the votes needed for final passage from 62 of their own members. [6/18/13]
MEANWHILE, HOUSE REPUBLICANS IGNORE LEGISLATION THAT AMERICANS SUPPORT…Whether wasting time on political messaging bills or walking away from critical negotiations, House Republicans continue to ignore important legislation that enjoys the support of the majority of Americans, such as:
Make It In America jobs legislation – By 20 percentage points, voters rate the economy and jobs the single most important issue. [Washington Post poll, 9/9/14]
Fair Minimum Wage Act – “Seventy-one percent of people surveyed favor a hike in the federal minimum wage,” including 54% of Republicans. [CNN Money, 6/9/14]
Paycheck Fairness Act – 74% of Americans support “government efforts to address male-female income disparity in the United States.” [Politico, 5/2014]
Comprehensive Immigration Reform – Over 70% of Americans – including 64% of Republicans – support comprehensive immigration reform. [Politico, 5/19/14]
…AND WASTE TIME AND TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON POLITICAL MESSAGINGIn addition to ignoring the priorities of the American people, House Republicans’ obstruction and partisanship has wasted billions in taxpayer dollars and harmed our economy:
The Republican government shutdown cost our economy $24 billion. [CNN, 10/17/13]
Republicans’ refusal to meet our nation’s debt obligations cost our economy $1.3 billion. [Huffington Post, 9/22/12]
Over 50 votes to repeal the Affordable Care Act have cost taxpayers $79 million. [CBS News, 7/11/12]
Setting up the Benghazi Select Committee, to look at a tragedy that has been thoroughly investigated, will cost taxpayers $3.3 million. [USA Today, 7/7/14]
Over $2.3 million in taxpayer dollars was spent on an unsuccessful court battle to defend the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act. [Bloomberg, 6/26/13]
House Republicans have signed a no-bid contract to spend $350,000 on their political lawsuit against President Obama. [Washington Post, 8/25/14]
SENATE REPUBLICANS CONTINUE TO OBSTRUCT IN THE SENATERepublican obstruction isn’t limited to the House. Senate Republicans have blocked debate on bill after bill, including:
Paycheck Fairness Act, which would help close the gender gap in wages and ensure equal pay for equal work [4/9/14]
Fair Minimum Wage Act, which would raise the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour [4/30/2014]
Bring Jobs Home Act, which would stop giving tax breaks to companies that ship American jobs overseas and provide a new tax credit to businesses that bring outsourced jobs back to the United States. [7/30/14]
Energy Savings and Industrial Competitiveness Act, which would help Americans increase savings on their energy bills and create 200,000 American jobs. [5/12/14]
The Bank On Students Emergency Loan Refinancing Act, which would help decrease the burden of student loans for 25 million students. [6/11/2014]
SENATE REPUBLICANS PROMISE TO CONTINUE THEIR RECORD OF OBSTRUCTIONSenate Republicans intend to continue their record of obstruction and partisanship in the next Congress, already threatening another Republican-led shut down:
“Mitch McConnell has a game plan to confront President Barack Obama with a stark choice next year: Accept bills reining in the administration’s policies or veto them and risk a government shutdown… ‘We’re going to pass spending bills, and they’re going to have a lot of restrictions on the activities of the bureaucracy,’ McConnell said in an interview aboard his campaign bus traveling through Western Kentucky coal country. ‘That’s something he won’t like, but that will be done. I guarantee it.’” [Politico, 8/20/14]
HOUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE CONSISTENTLY DEMONSTRATED WILLINGNESS TO WORK ACROSS THE AISLE
Throughout this Congress, the House Republican leadership has relied on Democrats to pass nearly every major bill. For example:
85 Democrats voted for a measure to keep the government funded for three weeks while 54 Republicans voted against it [3/15/11]
81 Democrats voted for a measure to keep the government funded for the year while 59 Republicans voted against it [4/14/11]
95 Democrats voted for the Budget Control Act while 66 Republicans voted against it [8/1/11]
165 Democrats voted for the conference report for Agriculture, Commerce-Justice-Science, and Transportation-HUD appropriations bills while 101 Republicans voted against it [11/17/11]
149 Democrats voted for the omnibus appropriations bill for fiscal year 2012 while 86 Republicans voted against it [12/16/11]
147 Democrats voted to extend the payroll tax cut and unemployment insurance while 91 Republicans voted against it [2/17/12]
183 Democrats voted to reauthorize the Export-Import Bank while 93 Republicans voted against it [5/9/12]
187 Democrats voted for highway, student loan relief, and flood extension while 52 Republicans voted against it [6/29/12]
172 Democrats voted for the fiscal cliff deal while 151 Republicans voted against it [1/1/13]
190 Democrats voted to add funds to Sandy relief package to fully meet the financial needs of the affected states while 190 Republicans voted against it [1/15/13]
192 Democrats voted for the final Sandy relief package while 179 Republicans voted against it [1/15/13]
199 Democrats voted for VAWA while 138 Republicans voted against it [2/28/13]
198 Democrats voted to reopen the government while 144 Republicans voted against [10/16/13]
81 Democrats voted for patent reform while 33 Republicans voted against it [12/5/13]
89 Democrats voted for the Farm Bill conference report, while 63 Republicans voted against it [1/29/14]I understand some people are lazy and who can't look into any subject and rely on their own ignorant bullshit, while trying to tout their own intelligence, and in some cases, their own delusional popularity within this thread...... But you have no excuse to ignore facts, Randall.
This research deserves all the karma I have to give,...
And Randall....I would appreciate a real response
It's factually and demonstrably false. The GOP didn't gain control of the house until the start of 2011. They didn't gain the senate until the start of 2015. That hardly qualifies as having both chambers besides a few months. By my count it's 6/2 compared to 2/6 or exactly even for those counting at home.
You want me to respond to a list of alleged obstructionist with no source or context? GOP refuses to support a budget amount they agreed to 8 months earlier. Did the contents of that budget change?
That's the problem. You don't make a distinction between obstructionist and disagreement. Congress' job isn't to pass whatever law the President wants. They're not a rubber stamp, so disagreement doesn't equal obstructionism. You guys also give no concern for context and rely on an unsourced list as evidence. You made up your mind and found something to support your view. That's not informed research or discussion.
The GOP has done some stupid shit. Not holding a vote on Obama's nominee is one. But if they refuse to vote yes on a nominee they dislike, that's democracy, not obstructionism.
#3617 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 497 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:polluxlm wrote:I'm a big supporter of Trump, but I'll be the first to admit it if he doesn't deliver. Right now he just has potential. Once in office I have my own private check list to know if he's the real deal, and it's not an easy test to pass. Andrew Jackson was the last one to do so imo.
Yes. I will call his ass out and not make excuses like the OBAMA supporters have for OBAMA by blaming Republicans and Bush for EVERY FUCKING THING. ha
You blame everything on Bill Clinton instead of Bush, so please... From how long I've known you, you have never said or acted like Obama was your president.
Republicans turned into a bunch of whiney little bitches when Obama was elected, and started obstructing on a historic level, like threatening to default on the debt (first time in history) to refusing to vote on a supreme court justice (first time in history) and you guys REFUSED to give them any blame for their conduct. It's the only reason Trump had a chance because of their behavior. The GOP got the clown they deserve.
Have you ever taken a logic course?
Democrats control the Senate and Republicans control the house. Neither agrees on legislation and refuses to budge.
Your conclusion: "Fucking GOP obstructionist pigs. How dare they not rubber stamp what my party wants."
#3618 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 497 weeks ago
Clinton has ran no less than 12 commercials in the past hour on NBC in Pittsburgh. She's definitely dumping money into PA.
#3619 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 497 weeks ago
This past weekend, near my home hometown of Eau Claire, WI....a college student was killed outside of a fast food pizza place after bar close - likely for being a foreigner....
If I was more tech savvy I would share the link but you can look bit up with the keywords UW Stout/Saudi Arabian kid.
This is too close to home and not acceptable in any way.
How many black children were killed by other blacks in your city this weekend? None of that hit close to home? I guess if someone of color is killed by someone without clear motive, it's appropriate to assume it was just a vicious hate crime assault.
#3620 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 497 weeks ago
You really think these claims against Trump are not only true, but have any chance of surviving a trial? Never mind the child rape allegedly occurred on the same plane Clinton rode in no less than 5 times during the 90s. Were the claims that Bill Clinton raped children on this plane perceived as plausible by you? You really think Trump stuck his hand up some unattractive women's skirt 40 years ago? You don't think that all these claims coming out after the audio is a coincidence? None of these women are liars looking for attention? Why do you find these claims credible, but dismiss the claims against Bill that Hillary adamantly called 'attention seekers'?
There is zero evidence. No way this shit would win in a trial. Yet we know Hillary had classified information. We know she lied about having it. We know she told her people to remove classification markings. We know her people ordered the emails deleted as soon as the NYT broke the story. We know they cleaned the backup tapes after the subpoena. We know they destroyed phones and computers. What we don't know is that Clinton personally ordered these actions or that she absolutely knew it was illegal.
You've handwaived that Clinton did anything wrong from day one and have not waivered despite the mountain of evidence. Yet 12 women randomly claim Trump touched them (raped a teenage girl, don't forget) and you're sold. I mean, for real?
