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#3641 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 498 weeks ago
And if he does something really, really bad like decide to nuke France, he can be removed on the spot on grounds of insanity. Need the consent of cabinet and VP.
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The outpouring of people updating their Facebook photos would collapse the internet. I wonder if the progressives would advocate holding off until we had all the facts then too. Trump's on TV bragging about turning the Eiffel Tower into a glowing lightning rod and people would still ignore the obvious.
#3642 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 498 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:Cramer wrote:The guy who did the upholstery on my car seat told me the ACA caused his property tax to go up.
True story.
Increased premiums and clients caused the local insurance company to explode and they invested in flipping houses, which raised the property value of the houses around him. It could happen.
That's quite a stretch IMO. Also, I've seen no increase in my property taxes, so I guess it's just that guy.
I was joking
#3643 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 498 weeks ago
anyone discuss what Megyn Kelly has been talking about all night or should we ignor it because it is on Fox?
What did she say?
#3644 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 498 weeks ago
The guy who did the upholstery on my car seat told me the ACA caused his property tax to go up.
True story.
Increased premiums and clients caused the local insurance company to explode and they invested in flipping houses, which raised the property value of the houses around him. It could happen.
#3645 Re: The Garden » Quick Yes/No question! » 499 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:The only real solution is to start a light ground war to create a focus for radicals while using special forces and intelligent agencies to remove pockets that appear outside the designated area. Use the occupation and forced stability to bring in trade and modern conveniences. Remove the ignorance and poverty and you neuter radicalism.
Fair point and you're probably right.
Having said that....
How far does it go? Where's the line in the sand? This isn't Iraq obviously. Russia is sitting right there. Is it worth the risk(however great or small) of a major war breaking out?
We should try to shake hands with Russia and work to open trade with them. The US and Russia could act together outside of NATO and the UN and take actions to stabilize and control the region. Who's going to argue with them?
The EU is hurt by its loss of the U.K. They don't matter for anything outside of consumers. We have no problem doing business with Saudi Arabia. Europe has no problem dealing with Iran. No one gets to claim moral superiority. Give the US Iraq and give Russia Syria. Work jointly to remove ISIS, stabilize their country, return migrants. Everyone is happy and we can focus on China.
#3646 Re: The Garden » Quick Yes/No question! » 499 weeks ago
I opposed the war from the start. My reasoning was Iraq was a sovereign nation and so long as they weren't attacking anyone or posed an imminent threat, they were free to own and create whatever their technology allowed.
Once we invaded, none of that mattered. We had an obligation to finish it through and leave the region stabilized. If that meant a permanent presence ala South Korea, Germany or Japan, so be it. Having military assets in the region was a positive for US interests and negating radical Islam.
Bush set the SOFA and timetable to end US offensive missions, but Obama failed to attempt to negotiate a defense force agreement and we all but left the country. Radicals quickly resumed power and rather than take them serious, called them the JV team. With a lack of US reprisal, they expanded to their current state. Assad's civil war allowed the climate for them to get a foothold in Syria.
Creating a battleground for radicals via Iraq was a sound strategic decision. Better to fight them there and have central intelligence than let them spread everywhere.
The power and influence of Radical Islam during and after the war is indisputable. 9/11, Madrid and London happened because Radical Islam wasn't centralized. Monitoring all their behavior was a challenge. Iraq fixed that. Now they're operating in a central location without real dispute, though progress has been made, and with that allow them to coordinate attacks while expanding their networks.
The only real solution is to start a light ground war to create a focus for radicals while using special forces and intelligent agencies to remove pockets that appear outside the designated area. Use the occupation and forced stability to bring in trade and modern conveniences. Remove the ignorance and poverty and you neuter radicalism.
#3647 Re: The Garden » 270 to win 2016 Edition » 499 weeks ago

I'm betting $25 this is how it turns out. Any takers?
#3648 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 499 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:Americans will do something if our President continues to legislate with their pen.
What are you saying here? What are you advocating/suggesting?
I'm not advocating anything. Simply pointing out there are 300+ million guns in this country and a large contingent of loser, white males who were too craven to wear the uniform but fantasize about the revolutionary war.
None of Bush's executive orders were ruled unconstitutional nor nearly as brazen as some pushed by Obama. If you want to compare naming post offices to declaring millions of people here illegally are now A-ok, we're not having have an honest discussion.
If Clinton is unable to break from Obama and continues to refuse to compromise, and passes executive orders as legislative fiats, some angry Americans will respond.
#3649 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 499 weeks ago
I think one of Trump's biggest downfalls last night was saying that he does not trust the information presented by our various intelligence agencies. In this case that Russia was directly involved in trying to influence the outcome of our election. He was given several chances to walk it back, but he stuck to it.
I found this much worse than him saying he would not concede the results of our election.
You guys had no problem questioning Intel on Iraq and WMDs. The government also blamed North Korea for the Sony hacks, but security experts said it was an inside job.
If you still think Clinton did no wrong and a coverup wasn't used in her email use, there's nothing left to say on the issue.
Trump's refusal to respect democracy and the peaceful transition of power is the most troubling thing he's said or done IMO. That doesn't mean we should hand waive the accusations of voter fraud that were contained in the Wikileaks release. You guys loved it when Bradley Manning used them. Now the media is telling people it's illegal to read them. If this push to get Clinton elected at all costs doesn't make you sick to your stomach, I fear for the future of this country.
This isn't the EU. Americans will do something if our President continues to legislate with their pen.
#3650 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 500 weeks ago
If you're going to argue the 13 year old's rape claim is credible, you have to believe Bill Clinton fucked the same children. After all, he rode the Lolita Expresss no less than 5 times with no secret service detail. And since Hillary has openly defended him against the other claims, she's either complicit with his rape or actually enabling it.
I don't want to make that claim, so I caution people to go down a road they aren't interested in going down.
Do we really need to repeat all the proven lies from Hillary's mouth that cost others their careers, but you folks handwaive?
