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#3661 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago

Cramer wrote:

I was thinking about Flagg's post. It reminded me of the "quiet Trump supporter" theory when polling and why I think it's wrong. In fact I think it may be the exact opposite of that.

There are a couple of things that come to mind.

1) "Quiet" and "Trump supporter" don't necessarily go together. I find it unlikely that anybody who supports Trump would deny it over the phone (of all  scenarios.) Trump supporters are vocal in their support to say the least.

2) I find a "Quiet Hillary supporter" much more likely in this election. Given the numerous highly regarded Republicans who have come out against Trump, I'd imagine many registered conservatives feel the same way. Not everybody is going to come out of the closet like Flagg did and post about it publicly. But once they are behind the curtains voting, I'd be a large block swing for Hillary simply because it's the rational choice.

Polling averages have Trump down again. His path to 270 could happen, but the probability is extremely low IMO. At this point, as stated prior, with early voting starting this may be what he's locked into. Another rambling debate performance Sunday and it's all over.


I don't know.  Let's just use racism as a comparison.  How many people do you think have racist beliefs/desires, but don't share them publicly?  I'm not saying Trump supporters are racist, but Clinton and many outlets and pundits have said so.  So around the water cooler you shrug and say it's all a mess, but vote for Trump because you're sick of business as usual and the growing effort to silence unpopular ideas or questioning the progressive narrative.  But to say so publicly incurs the wrath of those who aren't very informed or capable of articulating their own logic. 

I just don't see the same barrier or concern in confessing support for Clinton.  If you say you're going to support Clinton,  unless someone is dressed in a Carhart and "Don't Tread on Me" cap, I don't think you have to be concerned about being called a bigot, racist or something else meant to end discussion.  Granted, a Republican is certainly going to be more hesitant to pledge their support to friends and like minded acquaintances, but that same clandestine support isn't necessary like it is for Trump.  No one is calling Clinton supporters "deplorable."

#3662 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

http://projects.rrpromortyeight.com/201 … id=rrpromo

This is the only polling I take serious. Their info and predictions are uncanny.


Link doesn't work for me

#3663 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago

Smoking Guns wrote:

I am shocked by Flagg... was he trolling us the entire time?

Maybe he really liked pence, if you know what I mean.

Of course I wasn't trolling. I meant it when I said I participate in these forums because I want my opinions and beliefs challenged.

Both Trump and Clinton say what they think their supporters want to hear. There's a chapter in Gates' book that talks about how Clinton and Obama were very cavalier backstage talking about their stances on Iraq based on how it will appeal to voters. These are people who would let Americans die without a second thought because it resonated well with voters. I'll never forgive or forget that.

But this isn't football. I can laugh and giggle when Pittsburgh gets away with a cheap hit or a bad call goes their way. In the end we're talking about grown men running a ball down a 100 yard field. This is fucking reality.  The outcomes and how the game is played really matter.  And at the end of the day, Clinton making the calls is better for the world than Trump. That's all it comes down to.  I can't cheer on my team this time.

I can't intelligently come to a reason to support Trump in this regard. I'm so fucking pissed at the GOP for blowing it. They could have ran Kasich or Rubio and won this hands down. The fact that this election is so close proves that to all the people who still think Clinton is a good candidate.  But they didn't. They let Cruz attract the Tea Party idiots enough that Trump was able to get the sane candidates to leave.

So between sanity and insanity, I'm voting for sanity.

#3664 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago

bigbri wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

I came out on Facebook that I'm voting for Clinton. My republican friends think I've lost my mind.

What state are you in?

I'm not in a swing state (Illinois), so my vote won't make much of a difference. That's why I was going to vote for Gary Johnson, but he ruined that.


Ohio. smile

#3665 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago

I came out on Facebook that I'm voting for Clinton. My republican friends think I've lost my mind.

#3666 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago

Cramer wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:
Cramer wrote:

I do, and I have plenty of times.

Gambler?

Cars, stocks, real estate...

Edit: Although I did win $580 on penny slots a couple of months ago. Two bucks in for the win!


Then why are you working?  Take $2k and turn it into 8 million.

#3667 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago

I don't know. If I'm being honest, I've had a hard time justifying a vote for Trump.  Good business man or not, the guy is a tool. He wants to come across as the common man, and at times I bet he believes that, but this guy has wanted for nothing his entire life and lives the life of a king. He's never had to compromise in any way he couldn't claim a victory.

I hate Hillary. I think she's a condescending, manipulative, conniving cunt. But she realizes how the world works. World leaders like her and respect her.  She can play lip service to the progressives, but she governs from the middle. She's going to want to do what Obama wouldn't/couldn't, and that's work with the GOP to get shit done.  That'll be her "fuck you" to him winning in '08.

In the end, that's much more important than sending a big "fuck you" to political correctness and apologizing for wanting America to maintain its culture and pride.   The idea of Trump dealing with Putin terrifies me.

#3668 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago

Cramer wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

Trump has created tens of thousands of jobs.

Sure he creates jobs, but he doesn't pay them anything.

I think we can put that myth to bed at this point. Sure he "created jobs" but he's a failure as a CEO, and the little guy suffers as a result, as did the shareholders. He's fantastic at branding, but that's it. Anybody who loses nearly 1 billion running a fucking casino isn't very good at business.

You guys say he's a bad businessman, but based on what?  How many businesses has he managed?  How many have failed?  What is the average success rate?

If you know the answers to these, then maybe you can make a case he's a poor manager/CEO. But taking a million and turning it into billions is quite a feat. I'll ask again, how many people here think they could take a dollar and turn it into $1000?  $100?

Finances and taxes are definitely not my strong suit, but didn't someone in this very thread explain that Trump didn't lose a billion. How many billions did Gates or Jobs lose? It just seems like an arbitrary statement meant to imply something that's not qualified.

How many people died under the Clinton's compared to Trump?  It's a bullshit question meant to imply neither are capable leaders while the obvious retort is to ask if Trump was in a similar position. How many Americans die on average under a President? What caused them?  Reciting a bullshit talking point without context and qualification means nothing.

I still think Clinton will win, though not by the numbers you've often claimed. It looks like the GOP will hold the senate, so here's hoping Clinton doesn't follow in Obama's footsteps and actually works with the GOP to get real and important legislation passed.  Otherwise the GOP will run a competent populist in 2020 and her legacy will be as appealing as Obama's will be.

#3669 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago

Cramer wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

Half this country are a bunch of fuck ups that can't even earn enough income to pay federal taxes.

Like Trump?

If you want me to agree that our tax code needs to be simplified and many deductions need to removed, sign me up. But your group feigned outrage that Romney pointed out half the country pays no federal income tax and take more than they'll ever put in. Now you're upset Trump allegedly did what the majority of DNC supporters do.

Consistency.


Trump has created tens of thousands of jobs. I'll take his contribution over the people who have 5 kids they can't support.

#3670 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 501 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

^

Think a lot with your dicks I see....

I think these two candidates tell us a lot about the US population in 2016. I think they represent this country's shithead population quite well.

We're looking into a mirror as a country and we don't like what we see, I guess. Let's face it, this country from its inception was predicated on making money. That's all anyone ever cared about.

Since the 1980s and the great Reagan policies, there is absolutely nothing guiding that ship except money and its interests. Both Trump and Hillary have taken advantage of these policies. Maybe Hillary is every bit as corrupt as some say she is....I have no idea what makes anyone think Trump would want to do anything about it. They both personally benefit from the way things are....

Trump appeals to men, white men especially....I think that says a lot about white men too.

America: Hooray for me and fuck you!


What does that mean?  Hillary appeals to White Women especially, I think that says a lot about white women too.  And I could change that with every arbitrary demographic that supports Clinton, but I don't think you'd think it was a problem.

Half this country are a bunch of fuck ups that can't even earn enough income to pay federal taxes.  If you think that's because the system is rigged versus a bunch of entitled, lazy shits who've been told they're deserving of a good life simply because they exist.  Look at the rate of people on disability and receiving food stamps over the past 12 years.  Maybe we should consider sterilization programs again.

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