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#361 Re: The Garden » Donald Trump running for President » 544 weeks ago
Obamacare is an abomination because it tried to implement something that didn't completely disenfranchise the 'small government' folks and is full of ridiculous compromises. So please don't look at that as an efficient approach to healthcare.
In Europe you don't pay for basic healthcare services (including dental), it just comes out of your income taxes, which contrary to popular belief aren't staggeringly high but on average about the same as for the state of California (there are exceptions though, like in France, Belgium, ... where you pay more taxes). And it's not like quality of healthcare is lower in Europe, on the contrary. And if you want more than basic healthcare you can still pay for that (or get private insurance on top of it). A typical monthly fee for private insurance, which gets you things like luxury hospital rooms and certain elective procedures on top of your basic healthcare will be around 50$ for adults and maybe 20$ for kids.
Insurance is the prime example of an economy that benefits from scale, and it's an example where a free market economy has little to no impact on the quality and price of the product. Every modern civilized country needs a single payer system for basic healthcare, it's that simple.
#362 Re: The Garden » Donald Trump running for President » 544 weeks ago
The Mole clearly feels Climate Change is our biggest threat to national security.
I've mentioned at the start of this thread that I hope Bernie wins. But no, I don't think Climate Change is a threat to national security, that was a stupid remark for him to make. Furthermore, although I believe climate change is real, man-made and we should do something about it, it should not be the number one priority with so many other fundamental short-term things that need to be fixed.
Bernie has many of the same upsides as Trump, in that he's not an establishment politician that lies to his constituency to hide his corporate sponsor overlords' agendas. But more than that, he also has the added benefit that he's not a complete retard that can't string together a coherent sentence, so there's that...
#363 Re: The Garden » Donald Trump running for President » 544 weeks ago
And therein lies the problem. We have to poke the bear because nobody else will.
Why? The West doesn't do anything about sub-saharan Africa either, and no-one gives us shit about that. What's so special about the middle-east that it requires our immediate hands-on attention? Oh yeah, that's right, there's no oil in sub-saharan Africa.
We get shit on for being isolationists and we get shit on if we poke the bear.
Contrary to what people often say, I don't believe isolationalism is the opposite of interventionalism. Non-interventionalism is a much better term and what we should aspire to when it comes to the middle-east.
If the non-radical Muslims would take care of their own problem, we wouldn't have to be the world's police. They don't do anything about it because they are all trained by their bible that what the jihadists are doing is the right thing. Even if they personally don't do it, they don't do anything to stop it either. They need to fix the perception people have about Muslims. Nobody else can do it.
I agree, it's their problem to solve. But we can and should help by not polarizing. By not further feeding the perception that Islam is a barbaric religion, they have a hard enough problem to solve already without us piling on.
I said it before. Trump only has power because of the shit Obama has (or hasn't) been doing the past 8 years. They built up the resentment and they created this feeling of enough is enough by shoving this PC shit down everyone's throat.
I hate PC shit as much as the next guy, and I honestly feel we should be able to openly debate and even mock any religion without fear for retributions. But you don't discriminate based on race or religion, ever. Being against having 'special rules' for a specific set of people based on their religion is not about being PC, it's about believing in equality.
#364 Re: The Garden » Donald Trump running for President » 544 weeks ago
Oh, so it is Israel's and USA's fault there is Jihad? Just want to make sure I am following you. Whose fault is it there is Jihad?
Come on man, be intellectually fair here, you know that's not what I'm saying. If there's 5 people out in the woods and they run into a bear, it seems only logical that the one who pokes the damn thing is going to be the one that gets attacked, no?
Don't poke the bear, don't make yourself a target...
#365 Re: The Garden » Donald Trump running for President » 544 weeks ago
USA and Israel is their #1 target.
Of course! Because those are the two countries that have had the most violent interactions with muslims in the middle east. That's the whole reason I'm saying we shouldn't make things worse by singling out Islam with stupid legislative proposals from idiotic presidential candidates!
#366 Re: The Garden » Donald Trump running for President » 544 weeks ago
Imo the cnn, msnbc and fox's of the world are just as guilty of spreading fear as anyone
This is unfortunately a very large part of the problem...
#367 Re: The Garden » Donald Trump running for President » 544 weeks ago
"Only 100 dead in the past decade" ha, that leaves out the 3,000 dead from 9-11. 130 just died in Paris. 200 dead from Egypt plane explosion. 100 dead from Lebanon bombing. Thousands killed in battlefield. ALL FROM JIHAD. Ask the 14 dead in California if we over estimated their threat. Or Chattanooga. Or Missouri. Or Benghazi, or USS Cole. Come on man, there is a huge problem. And for the love of God don't compare the KKK and Abortiom Bombings to this. THAT IS RARE. Jihad? Not rare.
Yeah, I'm only talking about Americans, not deaths in general. You know, the people that the US gov't under Trump would be protecting by instating a temporary ban on muslims entering the country?
Look, I'm not saying that radical Islam is not a problem, it is and it's 'huge' to borrow one of Trump's favorite words. All I'm saying is that the measures proposed by Trump are ineffective, impractical, un-american and discriminatory.
#368 Re: The Garden » Donald Trump running for President » 544 weeks ago
After all, our government owes us protection before it owes anyone else protection.
I fully agree, but polarizing the population on religious boundaries is not a good way to protect your citizens. Nurturing islamophobia by singling out the muslims is not going to help reduce terrorism, on the contrary.
How many Americans died of Jihadist violence in the past decade? Less than 100... Every death is one too many, but aren't we overstating the danger those radical muslims really impose?
How many people died of 'lone wolf' crazies, mass shootings and non-muslim violence? Almost three hundred thousand... why are we singling out the muslims again?
#369 Re: The Garden » Donald Trump running for President » 544 weeks ago
Sounds like many here don't like the US either. Just think of what a world would be like with out a United States. How would WW2 have gone... Guess we are just assholes over here. After 911 under George Bush there were zero terrorist attacks in the US. So in one aspect Bush kept the US safe. But a lot of good people died in that stupid war in Iraq.
I absolutely love the US, what it stands for and what it has done for the world, but it's frustrating to see the country fold back onto ultra-conservative populist rhetoric more and more. What made the US great is that it's founding fathers decided not to look backwards to determine how to do things, they looked towards the future and created a society that was ready to face the challenges it was going to face, not the ones that it had faced in the past.
Now, you have a whole slew of presidential candidates that seem to do nothing but look towards the past for solutions, and Trump's "let's make America great again" campaign is a textbook example of this. And they're not even looking at the past solutions, they're only looking at what America looked like on the surface back then (nice Christian people, with normal family values, mom cooking dinner while dad goes to work, 2.3 children, predominantly white, ...). They see America is changing and at the same time "showing signs of sickness" and they're battling the symptoms instead of doing the right thing and addressing the underlying cause.
Bush and his administration didn't keep America safe, they are directly responsible for ISIS, by disenfranchising a large part of the Iraqi population and the entirety of Saddam's army. And now Obama is stuck with the symptoms. Just fighting the symptoms now won't help for very long anymore. It just masks the underlying problem for a short while until it erupts like a ripe boil and takes the country down with it. Please, don't make that mistake and be vocal about people's rights. Be a real conservative and be true to your values, not to some idolized image of the past.
#370 Re: The Garden » Donald Trump running for President » 544 weeks ago
We take refugees in from all over the world plus illegal immigrants from Mexico, Central America, and South America.
As does every fucking civilized country, what's your point?
How many refugees has Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc taken?
2 million are in Turkey, 1.4 million in Jordan, 1.2 million in Lebanon, about 250k in Irak, about 250k in the UAE. What are you saying, that muslim countries don't take in refugees? Europe is going to take in about 120k, the US is looking to accept a measly 10k. What are you talking about saying muslim countries don't do their part? Saudi Arabia is a villainous state, let's not model ourselves after them.
Why are the young men not fighting back fighting for their cities?
You think they're not? You really think they're ok with what's happening to their country? That their religion commands them to accept what's happening to their homes, their cities, their way of life? Sorry, I don't mean to be rude but there's no other way to put this, but that's one of the most ignorant statements I've read in a while...
Have you seen what is going on in Europe? Those economies cannot handle that influx either and it is causing big problems.
Europe is doing what it needs to do, it is not shirking its responsibilities like Trump is proposing the US should do. The impact of roughly 150k refugees on the European economy is going to be minimal. The impact of locking down Brussels out of sheer fear, the impact of woefully incapable intelligence programs that spy in citizens on the other hand...
ISIS doesn't rely on refugees to do their bidding, they radicalize EU and US muslims. Shutting our borders for one religion won't do a damn thing, and will likely only create more polarization.
Not to mention that you simply can't implement the policy anyway, you can't ask people about their religion and even if you do they can easily lie and there's no real way to find out.
