Three Days alone knock everything the Chilis have ever done out the water, but that's subjective. I was talking about popularity and fact is they were not a top tier band before that record. If they hadn't the Cure would be a fistpump get in.

Doesn't matter though. First they have to beat one of the greatest rock bands in history.

Lol, time for those unchartered waters again part of the debate.

First I'll define big business in my own words since you seem to give it a much too broad spectrum. The difference between a big business man and a normal business man is that the latter is working for his money while the former is not. And I'm not thinking about some investor making calls while sipping martinis. It's not hard work, but it's still work. They still take risks. Your local mom & pop store owner is likely a normal business man. And so is Bill Gates, George Soros and Warren Buffet. They're just better at it.

The big business man doesn't invest. He doesn't even really own companies. He's part of a family that is so rich and has been for so long that all they care about, all they really have left, is the exercise of power. They don't need to make money anymore. They print money. A normal business man bribes politicians for favor, a big business man chooses politicians under threat of death.

The very nature of the FED is what made the housing bubble possible. It's not something that just happened. The banks had come to rely on the government if they got in trouble for decades already. This was just a natural progression of the reckless lending policies made possible and nurtured by the promise of an endless supply of "new money" from the FED via the spineless politicians. The big players over at the FED, the secret shareholders they won't even tell us about, they didn't do this only so the hedge fund managers and lawyers could make a quick buck. They did it because they knew the inevitable crisis would free up the political capital for them to utilize in their game of thrones. That's the kind of level they're on. In fact it's so sublime that whenever they're accused of it they can simply claim ignorance and people won't bat an eyelid.

But as they say, once is an accident, twice is a coincidence, thrice is a conspiracy. So what is 15?

That is the kind of socialism I'm talking about. All they had to do was give government unlimited funding through a fiat system and the government would end up growing so big that tyranny would take care of it self. Look at Rome and Louis, China and the Reich. Give government too much power and the labor camps and secret police will take care of itself.

I think I know where you're coming from. You're the kind of guy that would like a Kennedy in office. Cause that's the only way you can curtail big government, by having a Jackson or Julius Caesar in charge. But what happened to them? They got taken care of. Until people realize what kind of game is actually being played democracy is doomed. Leaders are generally not good people. In fact I strongly suspect an inordinate amount of them are crooks and child molesters. And they most definitely have a much higher plane crash ratio.

Taking money from a person and giving it to somebody else is not creating jobs. That's basically what the government is capable of, distributing loot. And they've always been pretty sucky at it.

Removing some government regulation and freeing up tax pressure will create jobs. Ordinary people don't need guidance to create a job, just freedom and ability. If auto and production is dead in the US so be it. Funnelig tax payer money to keep it artificially afloat isn't helping anyone but the already pocket filled shareholders.

If big business were so keen on a free market why do they always support the commie candidates? Face it, big business loves socialism. They have enough money to ensure they're not the ones being "socialized".

Too bad the US have had a military presence there since the 60s...