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#3851 Re: The Garden » Next on the list: Uganda » 760 weeks ago
Dude, you make no sense at all. You accuse the US of policing the world, then use the fact that we didn't take Sadam out, only ousted him from Kuwait, as a bad thing the US did. Which is it, cause you're arguments make no sense. You're just launching assaults against the US and have nothing to back them up.
Newsflash! A good country takes care of their own. They look out for their interest. That's what any nation should do. Giving a rat's ass and "helping" other nations falls under that braod category of policing the world. You know, the thing you attack the US for.
So take a step back and rethink you argument because they fall flat on their face when held up to scrutiny. You hate the US so much, yet we're the only superpower in the history of the world not to go around declaring every soil we touch as our own. The nations we come to are better off when we're done. And if you knew a god damn thing about reality instead of bullshit check lists admonishing the US, you'd know that. Iraq for example, has better productivity and and resources now than they did before the US invasion. And they also have that thing called democracy, the think you're trying to tout about your own country now. Again, you contradict yourself. You claim the US installed Sadam, I told you you're wrong, so you change up your claim (with no facts by the way), but coincidentally, who removed Sadam from power and allowed the Iraqis to hold votes to dtermine their own fate? That's right, the same guys you claim installed their dictator. So on one hand you accuse us of policing the world, then bitch when we don't stop a country from killing their own.
Well fuck, based on corruption indexes, maybe we should add your nation to the list. Of all the fucked up things in America, effective voter fraud and government corruption aren't plagues. When a US elected official tweets a picture of his dick, we get rid of them, let alone the ones caught doing actual illegal shit. In argentina, it's business as usual.
And although once again you're wrong about half the world wanting to kill us (recent surveys shwo the US as one of the most liked nations in the world), those shitty nations that do really dislike us (and thank god you're not indicative of your nation) don't stand a rats ass. Let Iran and N. Korea try something.
And the whole China thing, yea they're entirely dependent on the US. That whole currency and ownership thing some people like to tout is bullshit. China tries to pull the rug out from us, they hurt themselves alot more. China may have 2 billion people, but they have 2 billion poorly educated people who wouldn't be able to compete with the US on a level playing field and would have their asses handed to them in a war.
But I'm really just replying to the angry rhetoric of a confused an uninformed member of a nation that really doesn't matter. Besides a hideout for Nazis and the basis for a shitty Madonna song in 96, Argentina and its citizens haven't really added much to the progress of our species.
Game.
Set.
Match.
Flagg wins!
#3852 Re: The Garden » Next on the list: Uganda » 760 weeks ago
Are you stupid or just ignorant? Sadam was in power before Regan was even elected. But that doesn't fit the delusion you hold about US influence. You want to emulate Germany and Japan? Hmmm, what country rebuilt those two nations? Can someone help me out here.
Your country has the same freedoms as America my ass. America is constitutionally obligated to finance the catholic church, like yours is. My country doesn't mandate that its leaders be catholic, like yours does.
Those groups you mentioned, Jews, Asians and Blacks, exactly how are they discriminated against? Your area of the world was much more populated with slaves than America ever was. Have you ever met a Jewish or Asian person? I doubt there's a bunch immigrating to your country. Not exactly a bastion of progress economically or socially.
You're government is modeled after America's and when we say jump, you ask how high. You don't matter and that bothers you. So you come here with bullshit revisionist history and touting "facts" that are utter garbage.
Everything you have within an arm's reach was made possible by America. From electricity to the internet you use to communicate your garbage. Welcome to the jungle little boy. America is the fucking king, and you're the flea on the termite's balls.
#3853 Re: The Garden » Next on the list: Uganda » 760 weeks ago
Who put Sadam in power? You're not suggesting the United States? What has Argentina done recently? What is the GDP of that nation? Can you give me a list of what freedoms Argentinians have? Isn't Argentina plagued with corruption?
Don't badmouth my country when you come from a Latin America wannabe USA state. Poor in my country is wealthy in yours. Thats because my country has the power and ability to protect itself and its allies. All I hear in your post is how envious you are of the United States.
My country has its problems, I'll be the first to admit that. But I'll be damned it its compared to 3rd world gutter nations that don't give two shits about the rights of its citizens and suffer from grave human rights violations. In America, people scream about human rights when a Gay Cheerleader is kicked off a team. In other nations, homosexuals are murdered and swept under the rug. Political disidents disapear.
My country could make yours vanish in under an hour, but won't. America isn't perfect, but it's still the most powerful nation in the world, no matter how much the sideline countries wish it wasn't so.
#3854 Re: The Garden » Next on the list: Uganda » 760 weeks ago
Axlin08 wrote:I forgot that Iraq was sunshine and daisies and pixie dust for 40 years before we were there.
My bad. It was Saddam Hussein that was Gandhi.
No, it wasnt sunshine and daisies and pixie dust, but it wasnt the shithole that currently is. They had a beautiful country, clean water, electricity and no civil war(given, cause saddam was squashing them), now they've got all of those things.
I never said Saddam was Gandhi, but maybe the US tought he was of some good when the CIA helped him get to power and backed him up for decades with money and guns even though you knew he was murdering communist arabs, and kurds(with your guns), or maybe cause they where communist they dont count?
So of all the countries in the fucking world its a shame that the US is the one that goes there under the pretext of freeing the iraqui people.
This aint personal, i've got nothing against you or americans, i dont hate you, but dont give me that crap that you where there to free Iraq.
Saddam hussein was a mass murderer, no arguing that, but just remember who put him there.
How do you know what Iraq was like and what it's like now? Have you been there or are you just taking the word of others (no doubt from a site/source based on the idea of demonishing US action there).
#3855 Re: The Garden » The Rant Thread » 761 weeks ago
I guy I knew on my last trip to Iraq was killed this weekend in Afghanistan. He left behind 4 children and a wife. And for what? No clear fucking guidance has been given in years on this fucking mess. Just an opportunity for politicians to grand stand and act tough. When was the last time Obama went to a fucking holiday meal with the Soldiers deployed? Bush did that shit all the time. Fuck no, let's worry about some useless fucking jobs bill that is so loaded with retardism that it was DoA. Let's worry about who Kim Kardashian is fucking or who was on Dancing with the stars. When was the last time you even heard of people dying in this fucking war? But 13 guys bought it last week, 8000 miles from home. And this shit happens every week and no one in this country gives a shit.
Fully bellies and TV is enough to keep the masses silent. Petty bickering and all this effort into issues that don't fucking matter (DADT ring a bell) but lives are lost and families ruined multiple times a day in a war started under Bush with Democratic approval and continued and esculated under Obama and not one person can articulate the end state.
Remember, who you vote for may only effect your mood the day after the election. But months and years down the road, some man with 5 mouths to feed is going to follow his orders and go to some fucked up worthless country and never come home.
#3856 Re: The Garden » Hank Williams Jr. Compares Obama to Hitler » 761 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:The problem is that he uses the same methods to accomplish his agenda as Bush did, then wonders why it doesn't work out.
What methods?
Massively military expansion and scope of authority, corporate bailouts, extension of executive powers and scare tactics to silence disentors. In fact, I think Obama is more combative with his opponets than Bush was. I may be wrong, but I don't immediately recall Bush lashing out against Pelosi and Reid, though again, I may have forgotten.
I love that website What the fuck has Obama done. Because half of them are utter bullshit and the other half would not even be mentioned under anyone else.
#3857 Re: The Garden » Hank Williams Jr. Compares Obama to Hitler » 761 weeks ago
I agree. Not on the whole "war mongering" thing, but the overall point of what you're saying.
The exact thing that Obama was calling Bush a "war criminal" for and actually playing up the bullshit of "putting Bush on trial" and all that crap...
Obama has done the EXACT same thing.
Is anyone talking about it? No. Where's Michael Moore now?
What a fuckin' laugh, every bit of it. The whole Libya thing was more fuckin' pointless than Iraq.
All this does is really prove how much the Neo Cons are really like the left. Maybe their justification was different, but the outcome was the same. Massive expansion of government, and massive expansion of military enforcement across the globe.
That's why this era's GOP is trying to distance itself from the policies of the Neo Cons. Obama can hold the office another 20 years, and he'd still blame Bush. The problem is that he uses the same methods to accomplish his agenda as Bush did, then wonders why it doesn't work out.
Although I'm not a supporter of either, I think a Romney (maybe Perry), Cain ticket will be the duo that sends Obama back to Chicago where he can be a community organizer again.
#3858 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Live From Rock In Rio » 762 weeks ago
If anyone has a link to a download of the show, I'd be much obliged. Couldn't stay up to watch it last night. please PM me if you do
#3859 Re: The Garden » The Rant Thread » 765 weeks ago
Dude, while not as dramatic as your story, I've had a similar ending in my life. All the hollywood movies never get it right. You'll hurt, and you'll hurt for a long time. Christ it's been 7 years for me and I still think about it. But you will move on and meet other people. I blasted Estranged for weeks on end after my incident, so maybe that will help you. Just don't partake in the same destructive behavior she was guilty of. It doesn't make it any easier.
No words can make your situation any better. Just don't do the thing I did and entertain the notion of winning/accepting her back and raising that kid as your own. It just leads to more pain.
Best of luck, and keep breathing one day at a time.
#3860 The Garden » I don't know, so I'm an atheist libertarian » 769 weeks ago
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/08/16/j … ?hpt=hp_t2
(CNN) -- I try to claim that I was friends with the genius Richard Feynman. He came to our show a few times and was very complimentary, and I had dinner with him a couple times, and we chatted on the phone several times. I'd call him to get quick tutoring on physics so I could pretend to read his books.
No matter how much I want to brag, it's overstating it to call him a friend. I would never have called him to help me move a couch. I did, however, call him once to ask how we could score some liquid nitrogen for a Letterman spot we wanted to do. He was the only physicist I knew at the time. He explained patiently that he didn't know. He was a theoretical physicist and I needed a hands-on guy, but he'd try to find one for me.
About a half-hour later a physics teacher from a community college in Brooklyn called me and said, "I don't know what kind of practical joke this is, but a Nobel Prize-winning scientist just called me here at the community college, gave me this number, and told me to call Penn of Penn & Teller to help with a Letterman appearance."
I guess that's close to a friend.
My friend Richard Feynman said, "I don't know." I heard him say it several times. He said it just like Harold, the mentally handicapped dishwasher I worked with when I was a young man making minimum wage at Famous Bill's Restaurant in Greenfield, Massachusetts.
"I don't know" is not an apology. There's no shame. It's a simple statement of fact. When Richard Feynman didn't know, he often worked harder than anyone else to find out, but while he didn't know, he said, "I don't know."
I like to think I fit in somewhere between my friends Harold and Richard. I don't know. I try to remember to say "I don't know" just the way they both did, as a simple statement of fact. It doesn't always work, but I try.
Last week I was interviewed for Piers Morgan's show (which used to be Larry King's show). Piers beat me up a bit for being an atheist (that's his job) and then beat me up a bit for being a libertarian (also his job). He did this by asking me impossible questions, questions that none of us, Harold, Richard, me, (or Piers), could ever answer.
He started with "How did you get here?" and I started talking about my road to showbiz and atheism and he interrupted and said he meant how the universe was created. I said, "I don't know."
He said, "God," an answer that meant Piers didn't know either, but he had a word for it that was supposed to make me feel left out of his enlightened club.
Then he asked me what we could do to help poor people. I said I donated money, food, medical care, and services and he said, "No," he meant, what could society do to solve the problem of poor people. Again, I was stumped.
He said the government had to do it, which I interpreted as another way of saying he didn't know, but he thought that made me look mean ... even though I do care and do try to help.
What makes me libertarian is what makes me an atheist -- I don't know. If I don't know, I don't believe. I don't know exactly how we got here, and I don't think anyone else does, either. We have some of the pieces of the puzzle and we'll get more, but I'm not going to use faith to fill in the gaps. I'm not going to believe things that TV hosts state without proof. I'll wait for real evidence and then I'll believe.
And I don't think anyone really knows how to help everyone. I don't even know what's best for me. Take my uncertainty about what's best for me and multiply that by every combination of the over 300 million people in the United States and I have no idea what the government should do.
President Obama sure looks and acts way smarter than me, but no one is 2 to the 300 millionth power times smarter than me. No one is even 2 to the 300 millionth times smarter than a squirrel. I sure don't know what to do about an AA+ rating and if we should live beyond our means and about compromise and sacrifice. I have no idea. I'm scared to death of being in debt. I was a street juggler and carny trash -- I couldn't get my debt limit raised, I couldn't even get a debt limit -- my only choice was to live within my means. That's all I understand from my experience, and that's not much.
It's amazing to me how many people think that voting to have the government give poor people money is compassion. Helping poor and suffering people is compassion. Voting for our government to use guns to give money to help poor and suffering people is immoral self-righteous bullying laziness.
People need to be fed, medicated, educated, clothed, and sheltered, and if we're compassionate we'll help them, but you get no moral credit for forcing other people to do what you think is right. There is great joy in helping people, but no joy in doing it at gunpoint.
People try to argue that government isn't really force. You believe that? Try not paying your taxes. (This is only a thought experiment -- suggesting on CNN.com that someone not pay his or her taxes is probably a federal offense, and I'm a nut, but I'm not crazy.). When they come to get you for not paying your taxes, try not going to court. Guns will be drawn. Government is force -- literally, not figuratively.
I don't believe the majority always knows what's best for everyone. The fact that the majority thinks they have a way to get something good does not give them the right to use force on the minority that don't want to pay for it. If you have to use a gun, I don't believe you really know jack. Democracy without respect for individual rights sucks. It's just ganging up against the weird kid, and I'm always the weird kid.
How did we get here and how do we save everyone? I don't know, but I'm doing the best I can. Sorry Piers, that's all I got.
