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#3871 The Garden » Years of liberal dogma have spawned a generation of amoral, uneducated » 770 weeks ago
- Randall Flagg
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A few weeks after the U.S. city of Detroit was ravaged by 1967 race riots in which 43 people died, I was shown around the wrecked areas by a black reporter named Joe Strickland.
He said: ‘Don’t you believe all that stuff people here are giving media folk about how sorry they are about what happened. When they talk to each other, they say: “It was a great fire, man!” ’
I am sure that is what many of the young rioters, black and white, who have burned and looted in England through the past few shocking nights think today.
If you live a normal life of absolute futility, which we can assume most of this week’s rioters do, excitement of any kind is welcome. The people who wrecked swathes of property, burned vehicles and terrorised communities have no moral compass to make them susceptible to guilt or shame.
Most have no jobs to go to or exams they might pass. They know no family role models, for most live in homes in which the father is unemployed, or from which he has decamped.
They are illiterate and innumerate, beyond maybe some dexterity with computer games and BlackBerries.
They are essentially wild beasts. I use that phrase advisedly, because it seems appropriate to young people bereft of the discipline that might make them employable; of the conscience that distinguishes between right and wrong.
They respond only to instinctive animal impulses — to eat and drink, have sex, seize or destroy the accessible property of others.
Their behaviour on the streets resembled that of the polar bear which attacked a Norwegian tourist camp last week. They were doing what came naturally and, unlike the bear, no one even shot them for it.
A former London police chief spoke a few years ago about the ‘feral children’ on his patch — another way of describing the same reality.
The depressing truth is that at the bottom of our society is a layer of young people with no skills, education, values or aspirations. They do not have what most of us would call ‘lives’: they simply exist.
Nobody has ever dared suggest to them that they need feel any allegiance to anything, least of all Britain or their community. They do not watch royal weddings or notice Test matches or take pride in being Londoners or Scousers or Brummies.
Not only do they know nothing of Britain’s past, they care nothing for its present.
They have their being only in video games and street-fights, casual drug use and crime, sometimes petty, sometimes serious.
The notions of doing a nine-to-five job, marrying and sticking with a wife and kids, taking up DIY or learning to read properly, are beyond their imaginations.
Last week, I met a charity worker who is trying to help a teenage girl in East London to get a life for herself. There is a difficulty, however: ‘Her mother wants her to go on the game.’ My friend explained: ‘It’s the money, you know.’
An underclass has existed throughout history, which once endured appalling privation. Its spasmodic outbreaks of violence, especially in the early 19th century, frightened the ruling classes.
Its frustrations and passions were kept at bay by force and draconian legal sanctions, foremost among them capital punishment and transportation to the colonies.
Today, those at the bottom of society behave no better than their forebears, but the welfare state has relieved them from hunger and real want.
When social surveys speak of ‘deprivation’ and ‘poverty’, this is entirely relative. Meanwhile, sanctions for wrongdoing have largely vanished.
When Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith recently urged employers to take on more British workers and fewer migrants, he was greeted with a hoarse laugh.
Every firm in the land knows that an East European — for instance — will, first, bother to turn up; second, work harder; and third, be better-educated than his or her British counterpart.Who do we blame for this state of affairs?
Ken Livingstone, contemptible as ever, declares the riots to be a result of the Government’s spending cuts. This recalls the remarks of the then leader of Lambeth Council, ‘Red Ted’ Knight, who said after the 1981 Brixton riots that the police in his borough ‘amounted to an army of occupation’.
But it will not do for a moment to claim the rioters’ behaviour reflects deprived circumstances or police persecution.
Of course it is true that few have jobs, learn anything useful at school, live in decent homes, eat meals at regular hours or feel loyalty to anything beyond their local gang.
This is not, however, because they are victims of mistreatment or neglect.
It is because it is fantastically hard to help such people, young or old, without imposing a measure of compulsion which modern society finds unacceptable. These kids are what they are because nobody makes them be anything different or better.
A key factor in delinquency is lack of effective sanctions to deter it. From an early stage, feral children discover that they can bully fellow pupils at school, shout abuse at people in the streets, urinate outside pubs, hurl litter from car windows, play car radios at deafening volumes, and, indeed, commit casual assaults with only a negligible prospect of facing rebuke, far less retribution.
John Stuart Mill wrote in his great 1859 essay On Liberty: ‘The liberty of the individual must be thus far limited; he must not make himself a nuisance to other people.’
Yet every day up and down the land, this vital principle of civilised societies is breached with impunity.
Anyone who reproaches a child, far less an adult, for discarding rubbish, making a racket, committing vandalism or driving unsociably will receive in return a torrent of obscenities, if not violence.
So who is to blame? The breakdown of families, the pernicious promotion of single motherhood as a desirable state, the decline of domestic life so that even shared meals are a rarity, have all contributed importantly to the condition of the young underclass.
The social engineering industry unites to claim that the conventional template of family life is no longer valid.
And what of the schools? I do not think they can be blamed for the creation of a grotesquely self-indulgent, non-judgmental culture.
This has ultimately been sanctioned by Parliament, which refuses to accept, for instance, that children are more likely to prosper with two parents than with one, and that the dependency culture is a tragedy for those who receive something for nothing.
The judiciary colludes with social services and infinitely ingenious lawyers to assert the primacy of the rights of the criminal and aggressor over those of law-abiding citizens, especially if a young offender is involved.
The police, in recent years, have developed a reputation for ignoring yobbery and bullying, or even for taking the yobs’ side against complainants.
‘The problem,’ said Bill Pitt, the former head of Manchester’s Nuisance Strategy Unit, ‘is that the law appears to be there to protect the rights of the perpetrator, and does not support the victim.’
Police regularly arrest householders who are deemed to have taken ‘disproportionate’ action to protect themselves and their property from burglars or intruders. The message goes out that criminals have little to fear from ‘the feds’.
Figures published earlier this month show that a majority of ‘lesser’ crimes — which include burglary and car theft, and which cause acute distress to their victims — are never investigated, because forces think it so unlikely they will catch the perpetrators.
How do you inculcate values in a child whose only role model is footballer Wayne Rooney — a man who is bereft of the most meagre human graces?
How do you persuade children to renounce bad language when they hear little else from stars on the BBC?
A teacher, Francis Gilbert, wrote five years ago in his book Yob Nation: ‘The public feels it no longer has the right to interfere.’
Discussing the difficulties of imposing sanctions for misbehaviour or idleness at school, he described the case of a girl pupil he scolded for missing all her homework deadlines.
The youngster’s mother, a social worker, telephoned him and said: ‘Threatening to throw my daughter off the A-level course because she hasn’t done some work is tantamount to psychological abuse, and there is legislation which prevents these sorts of threats.
‘I believe you are trying to harm my child’s mental well-being, and may well take steps . . . if you are not careful.’
That story rings horribly true. It reflects a society in which teachers have been deprived of their traditional right to arbitrate pupils’ behaviour. Denied power, most find it hard to sustain respect, never mind control.
I never enjoyed school, but, like most children until very recent times, did the work because I knew I would be punished if I did not. It would never have occurred to my parents not to uphold my teachers’ authority. This might have been unfair to some pupils, but it was the way schools functioned for centuries, until the advent of crazy ‘pupil rights’.
I recently received a letter from a teacher who worked in a county’s pupil referral unit, describing appalling difficulties in enforcing discipline. Her only weapon, she said, was the right to mark a disciplinary cross against a child’s name for misbehaviour.
Having repeatedly and vainly asked a 15-year-old to stop using obscene language, she said: ‘Fred, if you use language like that again, I’ll give you a cross.’
He replied: ‘Give me an effing cross, then!’ Eventually, she said: ‘Fred, you have three crosses now. You must miss your next break.’
He answered: ‘I’m not missing my break, I’m going for an effing fag!’ When she appealed to her manager, he said: ‘Well, the boy’s got a lot going on at home at the moment. Don’t be too hard on him.’
This is a story repeated daily in schools up and down the land.
A century ago, no child would have dared to use obscene language in class. Today, some use little else. It symbolises their contempt for manners and decency, and is often a foretaste of delinquency.
If a child lacks sufficient respect to address authority figures politely, and faces no penalty for failing to do so, then other forms of abuse — of property and person — come naturally.
So there we have it: a large, amoral, brutalised sub-culture of young British people who lack education because they have no will to learn, and skills which might make them employable. They are too idle to accept work waitressing or doing domestic labour, which is why almost all such jobs are filled by immigrants.
They have no code of values to dissuade them from behaving anti-socially or, indeed, criminally, and small chance of being punished if they do so.
They have no sense of responsibility for themselves, far less towards others, and look to no future beyond the next meal, sexual encounter or TV football game.
They are an absolute deadweight upon society, because they contribute nothing yet cost the taxpayer billions. Liberal opinion holds they are victims, because society has failed to provide them with opportunities to develop their potential.
Most of us would say this is nonsense. Rather, they are victims of a perverted social ethos, which elevates personal freedom to an absolute, and denies the underclass the discipline — tough love — which alone might enable some of its members to escape from the swamp of dependency in which they live.
Only education — together with politicians, judges, policemen and teachers with the courage to force feral humans to obey rules the rest of us have accepted all our lives — can provide a way forward and a way out for these people.
They are products of a culture which gives them so much unconditionally that they are let off learning how to become human beings. My dogs are better behaved and subscribe to a higher code of values than the young rioters of Tottenham, Hackney, Clapham and Birmingham.
Unless or until those who run Britain introduce incentives for decency and impose penalties for bestiality which are today entirely lacking, there will never be a shortage of young rioters and looters such as those of the past four nights, for whom their monstrous excesses were ‘a great fire, man’.
#3872 Re: The Garden » Is Syria next? » 770 weeks ago
..., I will never sit by and watch a country kill their own population. It is simply not right. And I won't hear that "leave their problems to themselves" because that is exactly what we have done before and look were that got us in the end.
You in the military mate?
#3873 Re: The Garden » Man Robs Bank to get Healthcare » 777 weeks ago
#3874 Re: The Garden » Gates: NATO alliance future could be 'dim, dismal' » 778 weeks ago
Because speaking as an American, our constitution requires we have an army and navy. Now it doesn't specify what size, and I'm all for downsizing it, but for the last 100 years or so, America has maintained a sizeable military, increasing its numbers as wars dictated. The Constitution does not call or define a social safety net. Specifically the large ones that are popular in Europe, specifcally the Scandanavian nations.
I do not believe it is the role of government to provide a quality standard of living to people. If America largely cut its spending on defense, something I'm not adamantly opposed to (though that would require a much longer debate), that doesn't mean we should then cycle the money to social welfare so every person can live a "good" life outside of employment. Those taxes would be returned to those that paid them.
The definition of poverty in America is a family in an apartment with 2 tvs, a car and air conditioning. That is without a large safety net. I fundamentally oppose redistribution of wealth, and stealing from Tom to pay Peter. I fully believe that your average American citizen is capable of attaining middle class status if they're willing to work and make good choices. For nearly every example you give me of people in poverty, I can cite you piss poor decisions that were made that led to that status. Be it a single mother with four kids who opted not to have an abortion yet continued to have unprotected sex with multiple partners, or someone who lacked job security yet chose to take out a loan many times over what their income could prudently afford.
While I empathize with those harmed by healthcare costs, our medical costs are largely due to bureacracy and lack of competition in the marketplace. Healthcare isn't a right because it stems from a service provided by regular people - individual citizens. It is not the place of the government to force people to perform services at a set cost, paid for by the collective. No other "right" exists in that manner. Rights are something that exist without contribution from others, not because of their contributions.
But this is an entirely seperate issue from the stated topic, so I don't want to derail it. And please pardon the spelling and grammatical errors.
#3875 Re: The Garden » Gates: NATO alliance future could be 'dim, dismal' » 778 weeks ago
If you're going to dismiss the past of Germany's Nazi past, you must also be willing to dismiss the US's use of nuclear weapons 65 years ago. Afterall, compare death tolls from those bombs to German death tolls inflicted through concentration camps. Your question of course assumes the US was wrong to use those bombs. I disagree with that notion, but if you're willing to forgive one nation's wrong doing, you must be willing to forgive others.
But I agree with you that Germany should serve as the leader and example of the EU.
#3876 Re: The Garden » Gates: NATO alliance future could be 'dim, dismal' » 778 weeks ago
Whoah man. I'm not attacking you. I'm simply stating that the United States has had a bigger impact on the world than any other nation. I wasn't aware Bell invented the telephone while in Canada. He did all his work in the US. I'm not talking about individuals, just the contribution and impact of nations.
All those goods you mention Canada exporting to the US could be supplied by the US, but our own politics and policies prevent them Farmers are paid in the US to NOT grow produce. I would argue that the money the US pumps into canada far exceeds the products received, as the US is capable of providing them itself. The US could build nuclear plants to provide all domestic energy and has numerous oil reserves to include shale oil that we ignore. I want the US to be self reliant. We have the ability to be self reliant. Many other nations can't. And my whole argument revolves around other nations not being self reliant when it comes to defense and relying on the US to do it for them. I did 12 months in Iraq. Outside of some guards from Kenya at the dining facility, the only foreigners I saw while there were South Korean, British and Australian and it was the exception to the rule when they were spotted.
But I have no problem with trade. I encourage it in fact. If private companies can do something better, do it. Regardless of geographic locations. I'm simply stating that I as a taxpayer and US citizen, want the US to be more self reliant, and make the world who often condemns us, to start pulling their weight. I resent when other nations tout their social safety nets (something I oppose on philosophical grounds) as a positive, but neglect to mention their absence of a military or the cost they save for freely relying on the US.
That is where my argument stemmed from. It's not an argument about people, but nations and how some are able to live a sheltered life.
#3877 Re: The Garden » First man 'functionally cured' from HIV » 778 weeks ago
How many kids/people in the US get HIV in the modern day though? I have a strong hunch it's pretty small. Those most prone to getting it are a small segment of the population anyway, so it's not as if there is an epidemic. I fully support further research, but I'd bet it'd be hard to find a group of small children in the US who have AIDS.
#3878 Re: The Garden » Gates: NATO alliance future could be 'dim, dismal' » 778 weeks ago
China has a lot of people though.
If everyone in the usa killed 5 chinese people each, without loosing one person, there would still be enough people in china to make up the whole population of the usa.
Surely one day the technology will be equal and then it could come down to pure manpower?
Technology will never be equal though. The US will continue to build and develop better systems, as will the Chinese, but the distinct advantage that America has will continue to develop further.
However, there comes a point where you ask when is this enough? A Hydrogen bomb from 1959 is just as deadly as one made in 2011. Sure the guidance systems and accuracy and raw power are improved, but a direct hit to a major city won't be any less tramatic.
While China may outnumber us, there is no way they could move an army of that size without us noticing. Every aspect of our military is world best, and a fleet of chinese ships loaded with soldiers headed towards America would be sunk by our subs before they were 1000 miles out to sea.
Now that's not to say that the US can't be harmed, of course we can. But I'm simply stating that our technology still gives us the advantage over China even when they outnumber us greatly. You also forget that in the event of a war against China, the draft would be started and within a few months, hundreds of thousands of young Americans would be in uniform.
I don't see China as a military threat. If nothign else, they're a deterent from the US getting to involved in N. Korea. China's threat is almost entirely economic. While Americans argue for union wages at 30$ an hour with 5 weeks of paid vacatation, the chinese are working for 25 cents an hours with no time off. An exageration of the true numbers, but the point is made. The American people have become lazy and feel entitled to the quality fo life they spend hours watching on reality TV. There used to be a time when owning a small home and having a small family was the mark of a successful man. I don't know if that qualifies as enough anymore.
And finally, with regard to James' comment on Canada being a strong ally of the US; I respectfully disagree. Canada more than any other nation gets the perks of US protection. They can spend all their GDP on social things and brag about how much superior they are, but they really don't do shit. They have a population a 10th of the US, and could be wiped out by any nominal military power with half a brain. The reality that anyone dicking with Canada would result in immediate US retaliation is what keeps Canada protected.
I'm not dismissing Canadian people. They're no different than your average america. People are people. I'm simply talking in the abstract notion of nations. What has Canada contributed to the world? What great inventions or military aide have they brought. Sure, some token amount was a Normandy, but their contribution was nill. Outside of some actors and musicians, I just don't see them being as great as many want to portray them as. They certainly don't assist the US to any great degree. And the same can be said about virtually every other nation on the planet.
And before people get offended, and list off something great their respective country did, don't. Again, I'm not making a swipe against you or your friends. You're no different than me or anyone else. I personally have done shit. I just happen to have been born in America.
When it comes to nations that need to be pulled from the US tit, Canada ranks near the top of nations that should start fending for themself. When all these other nations start pulling their own weight and not relying on the US, then we can start having serious talks about quality of life comparisons and who takes better care of their people.
#3879 Re: The Garden » Gates: NATO alliance future could be 'dim, dismal' » 779 weeks ago
It's no longer in the US's interest to prop up these other nations while thye make token gestures to their own longevity. This current model has allowed Europe to become a collection of nanny states that provide a respectable quality of life to the laziest and most unwilling of its citizens, ultimately under the shield of US protection.
I'm not advocating the US follow suit and abandon its military strength, but name me one country that embraces the social programs of Europe and has a fearsome military? You can't do it. It's a tradeoff that people have to make, and in my opinon, without the US being the biggest kid on the block to have their back, it wouldn't be an option. Outside of England, NATO is a joke, and quite frankly, even the English aren't all that badass.
In my opinion, it's time the US removes itself from assistsing these other nations in almost all aspects. If nothing happens and wealthy countries with no standing army continue to prosper, more power to them. But if shit starts to go south, and they come pleading for assistance, it's time they start paying the emperor tribute instead of openly mocking him.
#3880 Re: The Garden » Shoplifter + Marine + Curb » 781 weeks ago
This happened by the base I'm at last year. Obviously the story was modified, but the marine did stop the guy.
