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#31 Re: Guns N' Roses » Quick Song=Cuban Skies? » 10 weeks ago
Bill Brasky wrote:Shacklermyrye wrote:In November of 1999 Rolling stone were played several songs from the Chinese democracy session's, they were also played an instrumental of Oklahoma.
Them being played just an instrumental, when they were played other songs that did have vocals suggests to me that none were recorded in 99 at all. The version that is out there is from March 2000 and obviously doesn't have any either.
But if you consider it was inspired by the bombing, (same week Izzy ect were writing Ocean ect) then that suggests the spark of the song came from Axl and not other members. That to me means it's likely he had a few lyrics for it but probably not all lyrics for it and just had not recorded them yet.
That he played it for magazines suggests he might have had more confidence in it than other songs they had at the time though, as I think aside from Atlas Shrugged all the other songs wound up on CD.
A few things to consider
1. We know by Dave Dominguez that Oklahoma was done lyrical very early in 1995-1996, So in my opinion it's a lot like This I Love a song with lyrics and vocals ready just needing the instrumental. Rembrandt This I love also didn't appear on the 19 village disc that we got. It's most likely on the others since it was intended to be used on the 1998 In What Dreams May Come.2. Oklahoma is on rough mixes disc 3 but it's take 10. So we don't know if the other9 by that date date had vocals.
3. When Rolling Stone was played the instrumental in 1999 it's possible that Axl wanted to tinker with it more to capture more of the sound of 1996 demo, So the version with vocals was not shared due to him wanting to redo vocals.
Just throwing out some of my thoughts.
Considering Oklahoma was a alt song at the 2001 hob show i think it was one of the first songs done.
I don't interpret Dave's comment about Oklahoma being done by the time they hit the studio to be mean the lyrics were done, I personally took that as referring to the instrumental. In another interview in 2018 he described it (and IRS) as a loop during that time period.
Gentlemen here's some quotes
"[Oklahoma] was inspired by a court date with ex-wife Erin Everly. 'I was sitting in my litigation with my ex-wife, and it was the day after the bombing, [April 20th, 1995]' Rose remembers with a wince. 'We had a break, and I'm sitting with my attorneys with a sort of smile on my face, more like a nervous thing - it was like, 'Forgive me, people, I'm having trouble taking this seriously.' It's just ironic that we're sitting there and this person is spewing all kinds of things and 168 people just got killed. And this person I'm sitting there with, she don't care. Obliterating me is their goal.'" (Axl, Rolling Stone, 2000)
"As the far as the songs go: 'Oklahoma' was pretty much written by the time they got to the studio. Axl wrote that with inspiration from the Oklahoma City bombing (more as a tribute to those who died, if I'm not mistaken). [...] (Dave Dominguez, Sp1at, 02/07/05)
So Axl wrote it. What do we think the lead singer wrote ? The guitar parts, the percussion parts ? Or most likely the lyrics ?
If the lyrics were done and presented to the band at 1996 sessions then again in 98 then vocals were mostly likely done and recorded ?
Hopefully this post doesn't come off in a asshole manner sometimes i think we all over complicate the history of Chinese Democracy era songs.
#32 Re: Guns N' Roses » Quick Song=Cuban Skies? » 10 weeks ago
In November of 1999 Rolling stone were played several songs from the Chinese democracy session's, they were also played an instrumental of Oklahoma.
Them being played just an instrumental, when they were played other songs that did have vocals suggests to me that none were recorded in 99 at all. The version that is out there is from March 2000 and obviously doesn't have any either.
But if you consider it was inspired by the bombing, (same week Izzy ect were writing Ocean ect) then that suggests the spark of the song came from Axl and not other members. That to me means it's likely he had a few lyrics for it but probably not all lyrics for it and just had not recorded them yet.
That he played it for magazines suggests he might have had more confidence in it than other songs they had at the time though, as I think aside from Atlas Shrugged all the other songs wound up on CD.
A few things to consider
1. We know by Dave Dominguez that Oklahoma was done lyrical very early in 1995-1996, So in my opinion it's a lot like This I Love a song with lyrics and vocals ready just needing the instrumental. Rembrandt This I love also didn't appear on the 19 village disc that we got. It's most likely on the others since it was intended to be used on the 1998 In What Dreams May Come.
2. Oklahoma is on rough mixes disc 3 but it's take 10. So we don't know if the other9 by that date date had vocals.
3. When Rolling Stone was played the instrumental in 1999 it's possible that Axl wanted to tinker with it more to capture more of the sound of 1996 demo, So the version with vocals was not shared due to him wanting to redo vocals.
Just throwing out some of my thoughts.
Considering Oklahoma was a alt song at the 2001 hob show i think it was one of the first songs done.
#33 Re: Guns N' Roses » Quick Song=Cuban Skies? » 10 weeks ago
Bill Brasky wrote:Well if Quick Song is Cuban Skies then Mister Saint Laurent can add another feather to his cap.
Funny you mention the military drum roll sound @Shacklermyrye on this very forum https://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic. … 10365&p=15 @misterID a friend of Mister Saint Laurent claims that Cuban Skies was played and identified by Mister Saint Laurent in chat. Also in the thread Cuban Skies is described as having a military style drum roll.
Also flightly off topic but not worthy of it's own thread...
I also listened to Oklahoma again.
We know that song was almost complete when they went into Rumbo January 98, when I listened this time it stood out that whilst the drumming is either Freese or Brain (I think Freese?) The drum rolls and arrangement screams Sorum to me. Obviously Sorum was there until 97, with Riggs filling in for him when he was on tour. It's obviously likely that Sorum worked on that song before leaving. I wonder if the reason we never got it was so as to deny him any form of credit. Him being listed as an additional musician in the Live Era record possibly hints that may be the case, at least to me.
Song Information
1995
"[Oklahoma] was inspired by a court date with ex-wife Erin Everly. 'I was sitting in my litigation with my ex-wife, and it was the day after the bombing, [April 20th, 1995]' Rose remembers with a wince. 'We had a break, and I'm sitting with my attorneys with a sort of smile on my face, more like a nervous thing - it was like, 'Forgive me, people, I'm having trouble taking this seriously.' It's just ironic that we're sitting there and this person is spewing all kinds of things and 168 people just got killed. And this person I'm sitting there with, she don't care. Obliterating me is their goal.'" (Axl, Rolling Stone, 2000)
1998
"As the far as the songs go: 'Oklahoma' was pretty much written by the time they got to the studio. Axl wrote that with inspiration from the Oklahoma City bombing (more as a tribute to those who died, if I'm not mistaken). [...] (Dave Dominguez, Sp1at, 02/07/05)
I've always assumed Oklahoma was done the same time as Jackie Chan aka hard school.
I pretty sure it's on the 1999 cd full vocals and was traded around in the early 2000's in certain groups.
I assume Quick Song was on that disc too.
#34 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2026 Tour Dates » 11 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:Do you think he actually has disdain toward us?
During the Chinese years? Absolutely.
Now? No.
I think he's basically onstage reliving 1991-93 like he's still on top of the world. He can mention something ridiculous like that song and in his mind...for that very moment anyway ...the entire crowd knows of it...is salivating to know more. Of course the reality is that no one gives a shit and never will.
The crowd is there to hear Jungle, SCOM, PC, and NR....and pretend it's 1991-93 again for 3 hours.
The fan base is finally where he always wanted them to be.
I'm sure he notice the crowds are getting smaller and smaller, The venues are changing from prestigious big stadiums to the big market secondary venues as time goes by.
Axl can pretend in his mind that's it's 91-93 but in doing so the thoughts must creep into his head of why that all ended after 93. Why he couldn't recreate those crowds or success without Slash.
All that talent and all that money couldn't get those crowds or that nostalgic 91-93 feeling.
#35 Re: Guns N' Roses » Quick Song=Cuban Skies? » 11 weeks ago
Well if Quick Song is Cuban Skies then Mister Saint Laurent can add another feather to his cap.
Funny you mention the military drum roll sound @Shacklermyrye on this very forum https://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic. … 10365&p=15 @misterID a friend of Mister Saint Laurent claims that Cuban Skies was played and identified by Mister Saint Laurent in chat. Also in the thread Cuban Skies is described as having a military style drum roll.
#36 Re: Guns N' Roses » Quick Song=Cuban Skies? » 11 weeks ago
I don't know if Cuban Skies is the new name for Quick Song and I've never stated as fact that it is.
I've speculated that Cuban Skies could be the new name for Quick Song because a band member referred to Quick Song as "Q Song" once in conversation. Cuban Skies and Q Song are similar enough in sound that it made me wonder if that was the new name.
Hedging your bets !
@unlucky777 or is it @lucky777 here who knows right, you rascal. Want to confirm or deny for us all ?
#37 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 12 weeks ago
Bill Brasky wrote:AtariLegend wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G7a0eGsb0AI … name=small
@billbrasky
Did you ever see this image yourself personally before 2019?
Well........
http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=11085
There are the songs talked about on here back in November 2010.I still don't recall seeing the list before 2019 but i probably did.
I don't think the 2010 thing really has much to do with proving the other thing. The 2010 thing is believable, because of Tonto and as far as I recall - that was the first mention of the track until it ended up on the rough mixes.
There's no real evidence the message from Fernando thing was legit, other than people wanting to believe it. It's all stuff that could easily been generated retrospectively. Unless there's proof a track called 4 Heavens exists?
"Perhaps" - thing I think is probably why I asked, cause unless this list was circulating prior to the 2019 rough mix leaks, I don't recall it ever being mentioned until it was leaked. I'm not saying it's fake, I'm just saying unless multiple people seen this prior to rough mixes being leaked - it would have been easily fakable.
Personally I don't really care any more and barely read the GNR sections of here or MYGNR, unless someone told me there's a leak. This stuff got boring years ago and I'm probably wrong. Hence why I haven't updated this thread in eons.
I get it. I can't prove the email is legit i actually doubt it is to be honest but the tracklist checks out.
On 4 Heavens i imagine it was supposed to Acoustic Kohd. They recorded 4 different versions with nugnr electric, reggae,acoustic,industrial. Im guessing on industrial.
#38 Re: Guns N' Roses » Tracks missing from the leaked CD's » 12 weeks ago
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G7a0eGsb0AI … name=small
@billbrasky
Did you ever see this image yourself personally before 2019?
Well........
http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=11085
There are the songs talked about on here back in November 2010.
I still don't recall seeing the list before 2019 but i probably did.
#39 Re: Guns N' Roses » Magnum Opus: New Book on the Making of Chinese Democracy » 13 weeks ago
I think everyone wants Mike Clink, just remember Axl had these guys
Youth - The Verve
Beaven - Nine Inch Nails and Marylin Manson
Roy Thomas Baker - Queen and The Cars
The problem is probably not the producer.
#40 Re: Guns N' Roses » Magnum Opus: New Book on the Making of Chinese Democracy » 14 weeks ago
Bill Brasky wrote:Blackstar wrote:There is a few, like Pitman saying that, in addition to the material written by band members, there was material from outside songwriters (who were "big names") coming in.
That's honestly perplexing and i don't know if the context provided by Pittman is accurate.
Could i see Axl getting feedback from Alice Cooper, Lars Ulrich or Billy Corgin absolutely but from someone outside of his trusted group of Tobias or before they passed Arkeen and Hoon or the current band at the time is doubtful.
Izzy is known to have written songs.
Maybe Les Claypool ?
I would think Desmond Child and Marti Frederiksen are the big name songwriters Pitman is talking about here.
Blackstar mentioned Desmond Child and Shacklermyrye mentioned Marti Fredericksen in earlier post.
I can see why you 3 have mentioned those as possibilities but wouldn't that info have leaked out in last 28 years ?
Pittman is being vague for no particular reason that i can rationalize.
