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#401 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 448 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

I doubt it. Looks like he played the media. The "secret communications" with Wikileaks was basically Wikileaks telling him to stop bothering them.
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That many be part of it, which only proves him to be a liar at best. But Stone announced all sorts of things ahead of time in regards to leaks. He also claimed to have lunch with Assange. Perhaps it's all puffing, but the result of that is Mueller is investigating his claims now. He's another man who lies quite often, which would not bode well for him under questioning. I still believe he'll end up under the bus somehow.

#402 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 448 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:

Make a case for something that people can't argue with.  Banning "assault rifles" when you can't define an assault rifle is a losing proposition.  .

This is a false argument made by every gun nut on the internet. This is completely irrelevant to the issue of gun control.

You should tell that to a parent who has their 7 year old shot half a dozen times "Educate yourself on what an assault rifle is, then maybe we can talk."

See how much sense that makes?

#403 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 448 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

So Mueller allegedly says Trump isn’t part of a criminal probe. Can we finally call those who push the Russian collusion story conspiracy nuts?

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/38 … nal-target

That's an opinion article by the way. ^^

That's not what Mueller said. Not even close.

In fact he is a part of the criminal probe. He's a subject, which means he's under criminal investigation by the FBI but won't necessarily be charged at this point. Once he becomes a target, I believe that's when he's closer to being indicted. Either way, to claim this is some sort of vindication of Trump, that he's under investigation by the FBI, is pretty dumb.

As usual, you're wrong.

A memo also surfaced detailing a bit of Mueller's investigation after Manafort's lawyers moved to dismiss his indictment. The memo authorized Mueller to investigate potential crimes in regards to payments Manafort took and his involvement with Russia and the Ukraine. This is a huge development and shows that Mueller is looking into Manafort's financials and how they relate to Russia. He's not simply looking into money laundering etc. This is just a couple of steps away from Trump.

It is said that Trump is also getting ready to talk with Mueller. Which is probably why Dowd quit and one of the dumbest moves he could make. Once he does that, we'll be even closer to this ending.

#404 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 448 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

Watching Anderson Cooper I think Roger Stone has totally played Democrats and the media. It's pretty telling Mueller hasn't paid him much attention. At the end of the day I don't think any collusion will be found with Trump. I think the big thing will be obstruction with his son's letter. Comey deserved to be fired and that will end up being pretty flimsy, even with the loyalty thing. I think Don Jr 's stupidity is his biggest threat.

BTW, another mass knife attack in England. There have been more murders in London than New York. How bout 'dem gun bans!

Next time somebody goes to an open concert and knifes 600 people, killing 60 or so, get back to me.

misterID wrote:

Watching Anderson Cooper I think Roger Stone has totally played Democrats and the media.

I think Roger Stone is very possibly in deep shit right now.

#405 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 448 weeks ago

Trump's lawyer, Cohen, had his office raided today by the FBI.

This is pretty big news. In fact I'd say it's about as big as you're going to get right now.

Now Trump's lawyer, needs a lawyer.

#406 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 449 weeks ago

Manafort associate had Russian intelligence ties during 2016 campaign, prosecutors say

The FBI has found that a business associate of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort had ongoing ties to Russian intelligence, including during the 2016 presidential campaign when Manafort and his deputy, Rick Gates, were in touch with the associate, according to new court filings.

The documents, filed late Tuesday by prosecutors for special counsel Robert Mueller III, also allege that Gates has said he knew the associate was a former officer with the Russian military intelligence service.

The allegations underscore Mueller's interest in Manafort and Gates, who continued to interact with business associates in Ukraine even as they helped lead Donald Trump's presidential campaign.

Manafort, 68, has pleaded not guilty to conspiracy, money laundering, and tax and bank fraud charges related to his lobbying work for a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine and former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych.

Gates, 45, who was deputy campaign manager for Trump and had earlier worked with Manafort in Ukraine, pleaded guilty last month to conspiracy and lying to the FBI in a cooperation deal with Mueller's probe.

Prosecutors made the allegation without naming the Manafort associate but described his role with Manafort in detail. The description matches Konstantin Kilimnik, the Russian manager of Manafort's lobbying office in the Ukrainian capital, Kiev.

Kilimnik did not respond to a request for comment. Nor did a White House spokesman or an attorney for Gates.

Kilimnik has previously denied intelligence ties, telling The Washington Post in a statement in June that he has "no relation to the Russian or any other intelligence service."

A spokesman for Manafort, who is under a court gag order, declined to comment.

Manafort has acknowledged staying in frequent contact with Kilimnik during the time he worked for Trump's campaign. He has said he met with Kilimnik in person in May 2016 and again in New York City in August 2016, about two weeks before Manafort resigned as Trump's campaign chairman.

A Manafort spokesman expressed confidence in June that investigators would ultimately conclude that Manafort's interactions with Kilimnik were "perfectly permissible and not in furtherance of some conspiracy."

The information about the FBI's assessment of the Manafort associate came in a court filing related to the upcoming sentencing of London attorney Alex van der Zwaan, whose firm worked with Manafort when he served as a political consultant in Ukraine.

Van der Zwaan, 33, the son-in-law of a prominent Russian Ukrainian banker, pleaded guilty last month to lying about his September 2016 contacts with Gates and the Manafort associate, identified in court documents only as "Person A."

Prosecutors explained that van der Zwaan had lied and withheld documents about information that was "pertinent" to their investigation - that Gates had been in direct contact during the presidential campaign with a person who "has ties to a Russian intelligence service and had such ties in 2016."

They said that when van der Zwaan was interviewed by the FBI in November, he told investigators that Gates had informed him that Person A was a former officer of the Russian military intelligence service, known as the GRU.

Kilimnik ran Manafort's office in Kiev during the 10 years he did consulting work there, The Post reported in 2017.

During his August 2016 meeting with Kilimnik, Manafort has said he and his longtime Kiev office manager discussed, among other topics, the ongoing campaign, including the hacking of Democratic National Committee emails. Stolen DNC emails had been released by WikiLeaks the previous month, and the hack was widely suspected to be the work of Russia.

During Kilimnik's time working for Manafort in Kiev, he had served as a liaison for Manafort to the Russian aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska, with whom Manafort had done business. Emails previously described to The Post show that Manafort asked Kilimnik during the campaign to offer Deripaska "private briefings" about Trump's effort. A Deripaska spokeswoman has said the billionaire, a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, was not offered and did not receive such briefings.

Kilimnik previously told The Post that he had served for a time in the early 1990s in the Russian army, but he denied any links to intelligence work.

Manafort has also denied knowingly communicating with Russian intelligence during the campaign. He told the New York Times last year, however, "It's not like these people wear badges that say, 'I'm a Russian intelligence officer.' "

#407 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 449 weeks ago

kermit the Trump wrote:


That is frightening.

If left unchecked we're fucked. And we're pretty close to the tipping point already.

#408 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 449 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

David Hogg is a slimy little cunt.

He's not a victim.

Why are you so nasty towards this kid? It's pretty low to be honest.

I expect it from the far right gun freaks...why would you commingle with such people?

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#409 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 450 weeks ago

kermit the Trump wrote:

It's not the same. We were not bombarded with 24/7 coverage of the Clinton scandals, not even during the Lewinsky bullshit. Politics was not pushed as entertainment during the Clinton years either.

haha, yea right. It's all everybody talked about.

#410 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 450 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

the recent step down of his to-be attorney DiGenova

This was remarkably fast. It's been reported that Trump approached four well known firms prior and they all turned him down. But DiGenova's in/out was faster than The Mooch! Hard to believe there's not something to that.

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