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#4111 Re: The Garden » Wisconsin liberals trying to rig election » 920 weeks ago
Riddle me this. If the electoral vote comes out to be 269 -269 (something well within possibility) who do you think Congress is going to appoint as President. Will of the people be damned. They're going to follow right down party lines and guess who holds more seats?
#4112 Re: The Garden » Wisconsin liberals trying to rig election » 920 weeks ago
Current state laws don't require any form of ID. I'm not asking for a chip or bio card; just a state issued ID to prove identity. The state ID card would serve to show that the individual is a legal resident of that state and thus allowed to vote in that state. I'm interested in preventing voter fraud, and the policy supported by Republicans is of minimal if any inconvience to voters. People bringing in a water bill to show that they reside in the area they are claiming residency is not sufficient in today's political environment.
I made it quite clear that both parties pander to bias and prejudices, but Democrats are notorius for attacking Republicans for fear mongering (ask any Democrat why Bush won in 04) and I'm simply stating that the primary platform and campaign message of Democrats is that you will starve and die penniless in the streets if you don't elect us. At least when Republicans quote national security as cause for their election there is substantial evidence to show that foreign elements wish to committ acts of terroism within our boarders.
Finally, Florida has been solved for 8 years now. Bush won it fair in square. Those ballots were counted many times over and Bush came up as the victor every time. Even the NY Times stated that Bush won that election. Just because some people couldn't punch a hole in a fucking ballot or got confused and voted for the wrong person (presumably) doesn't mean we can suddenly count votes or voters that don't follow the law.
#4113 Re: Guns N' Roses » AFD CERTIFIED 18 MILLION UNITS IN US » 920 weeks ago
ahh, good point
#4114 Re: Guns N' Roses » AFD CERTIFIED 18 MILLION UNITS IN US » 920 weeks ago
what is a shame is that even though this album is one of the most successful albums of all time, the members of the band (assuming the band gets 2$ per album sale) has only gotten around 7 million a piece from it. After taxes, that equates to around 3.5 million a piece. A lot of money to us for sure, but not nearly as much as they should have.
#4115 Re: The Garden » Wisconsin liberals trying to rig election » 920 weeks ago
Let me add that this is total mental masturbation and I have no delusion that something like this would ever happen. Since the majority of Americans have never done anything in that capacity; they'd fight to keep any change like that happening. This is all in my head as what I perceive the perfect government to be. In all honesty I don't fully like the idea of denying anyone the right to vote, but at the same time there are alot of uneducated people that have no vested interest in where we're going but have an equal say in what we do. The founding fathers appreciated this principle when only property owners were able to vote.
#4116 Re: The Garden » Wisconsin liberals trying to rig election » 920 weeks ago
As I said, I would re-define what citizenship meant; mainly the right to vote and hold public office. non-citizens would exist just as the 50% of Americans who don't exercise the right to vote live today. They'd be treated no differently and have the same basic constitutional rights as every "citizen" with the obvious exception being the right to vote. They could still own firearms and exercise their freedom of speech/religion/assembly, but would have no official say in the direction of the government.
#4117 Re: The Garden » Wisconsin liberals trying to rig election » 920 weeks ago
I certainly oppose forcing every person to serve at some capacity in the public sector. First and foremost, our society is designed so that those who serve do so, so others won't have to. Secondly, requiring people to serve breeds apathy and lowers standards which results in waste and in the military, human loss.
Although this opinion won't be popular, I have said for a long time that I don't believe every American who reaches the age of 18 should be a citizen, at least a "citizen" as is currently defined. I wholy support requiring people to serve in some capacity (peace corps type bullshit shouldn't count) of the public sector for an undefined time (maybe 2 years) to earn the right to be a citizen; ala Starship Troopers. I would also support a voting exam that at least tests the voter for the same expectations we expect out of nationalized citizens. A current events/civics portion would also help to weed out complete morons (read swing voters.)
#4118 Re: The Garden » Wisconsin liberals trying to rig election » 920 weeks ago
Doesn't Obama want to mandate some form of civil service, whether it be working at the red cross or joining the military?
#4119 Re: The Garden » Bush Asks Congress for $700 Billion Bailout » 920 weeks ago
For once I totally agree with you polluxlm.
#4120 Re: The Garden » Bush Asks Congress for $700 Billion Bailout » 920 weeks ago
By Ron Paul
Special to CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/ … index.html
(CNN) -- Many Americans today are asking themselves how the economy got to be in such a bad spot.
For years they thought the economy was booming, growth was up, job numbers and productivity were increasing. Yet now we find ourselves in what is shaping up to be one of the most severe economic downturns since the Great Depression.
Unfortunately, the government's preferred solution to the crisis is the very thing that got us into this mess in the first place: government intervention.
Ever since the 1930s, the federal government has involved itself deeply in housing policy and developed numerous programs to encourage homebuilding and homeownership.
Government-sponsored enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were able to obtain a monopoly position in the mortgage market, especially the mortgage-backed securities market, because of the advantages bestowed upon them by the federal government.
Laws passed by Congress such as the Community Reinvestment Act required banks to make loans to previously underserved segments of their communities, thus forcing banks to lend to people who normally would be rejected as bad credit risks.
These governmental measures, combined with the Federal Reserve's loose monetary policy, led to an unsustainable housing boom. The key measure by which the Fed caused this boom was through the manipulation of interest rates, and the open market operations that accompany this lowering.
When interest rates are lowered to below what the market rate would normally be, as the Federal Reserve has done numerous times throughout this decade, it becomes much cheaper to borrow money. Longer-term and more capital-intensive projects, projects that would be unprofitable at a high interest rate, suddenly become profitable.
Because the boom comes about from an increase in the supply of money and not from demand from consumers, the result is malinvestment, a misallocation of resources into sectors in which there is insufficient demand.
In this case, this manifested itself in overbuilding in real estate. When builders realize they have overbuilt and have too many houses to sell, too many apartments to rent, or too much commercial real estate to lease, they seek to recoup as much of their money as possible, even if it means lowering prices drastically.
This lowering of prices brings the economy back into balance, equalizing supply and demand. This economic adjustment means, however that there are some winners -- in this case, those who can again find affordable housing without the need for creative mortgage products, and some losers -- builders and other sectors connected to real estate that suffer setbacks.
The government doesn't like this, however, and undertakes measures to keep prices artificially inflated. This was why the Great Depression was as long and drawn out in this country as it was.
I am afraid that policymakers today have not learned the lesson that prices must adjust to economic reality. The bailout of Fannie and Freddie, the purchase of AIG, and the latest multi-hundred billion dollar Treasury scheme all have one thing in common: They seek to prevent the liquidation of bad debt and worthless assets at market prices, and instead try to prop up those markets and keep those assets trading at prices far in excess of what any buyer would be willing to pay.
Additionally, the government's actions encourage moral hazard of the worst sort. Now that the precedent has been set, the likelihood of financial institutions to engage in riskier investment schemes is increased, because they now know that an investment position so overextended as to threaten the stability of the financial system will result in a government bailout and purchase of worthless, illiquid assets.
Using trillions of dollars of taxpayer money to purchase illusory short-term security, the government is actually ensuring even greater instability in the financial system in the long term.
The solution to the problem is to end government meddling in the market. Government intervention leads to distortions in the market, and government reacts to each distortion by enacting new laws and regulations, which create their own distortions, and so on ad infinitum.
It is time this process is put to an end. But the government cannot just sit back idly and let the bust occur. It must actively roll back stifling laws and regulations that allowed the boom to form in the first place.
The government must divorce itself of the albatross of Fannie and Freddie, balance and drastically decrease the size of the federal budget, and reduce onerous regulations on banks and credit unions that lead to structural rigidity in the financial sector.
Until the big-government apologists realize the error of their ways, and until vocal free-market advocates act in a manner which buttresses their rhetoric, I am afraid we are headed for a rough ride.
