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#4121 The Garden » Government Bailout Hits $8.5 Trillion » 910 weeks ago
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The federal government committed an additional $800 billion to two new loan programs on Tuesday, bringing its cumulative commitment to financial rescue initiatives to a staggering $8.5 trillion, according to Bloomberg News.
That sum represents almost 60 percent of the nation's estimated gross domestic product.
Given the unprecedented size and complexity of these programs and the fact that many have never been tried before, it's impossible to predict how much they will cost taxpayers. The final cost won't be known for many years.
The money has been committed to a wide array of programs, including loans and loan guarantees, asset purchases, equity investments in financial companies, tax breaks for banks, help for struggling homeowners and a currency stabilization fund.
Most of the money, about $5.5 trillion, comes from the Federal Reserve, which as an independent entity does not need congressional approval to lend money to banks or, in "unusual and exigent circumstances," to other financial institutions.
To stimulate lending, the Fed said on Tuesday it will purchase up to $600 billion in mortgage debt issued or backed by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and government housing agencies. It also will lend up to $200 billion to holders of securities backed by consumer and small-business loans. All but $20 billion of that $800 billion represents new commitments, a Fed spokeswoman said.
About $1.1 trillion of the $8.5 trillion is coming from the Treasury Department, including $700 billion approved by Congress in dramatic fashion under the Troubled Asset Relief Program.
The rest of the commitments are coming from the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. and the Federal Housing Administration.
Only about $3.2 trillion of the $8.5 trillion has been tapped so far, according to Bloomberg. Some of it might never be.
Relatively little of the money represents direct outlays of cash with no strings attached, such as the $168 billion in stimulus checks mailed last spring.
Where it's going
Most of the money is going into loans or loan guarantees, asset purchases or stock investments on which the government could see some return.
"If the economy were to miraculously recover, the taxpayer could make money. That's not my best guess or even a likely scenario," but it's not inconceivable, says Anil Kashyap, a professor at the University of Chicago's Booth School of Business.
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#4122 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week? » 910 weeks ago
Axlin08 wrote:I wouldn't fuck Britney Spears if given the chance.
Well I will wait a little and see if you flip flop on that like you do with Guns N' Roses:haha::haha:
Not even once? I'd be all over that in a second.. Make her dress up in the baby one more time outfit.. And I will stop before I ruin some virgin eyes.:haha:
Yeah, not do Britney Spears..that's kind of a nutty opinion. I'd do her with the shaven head even.
Like that guy Jason Alexander, he'll never pay for a beer again for the rest of his life. "Dude! I gotta buy you one! You the man!". The movies, parking tickets..you can just forget about it. You'd get more pull than a well shaped blonde.
#4123 Re: Guns N' Roses » AXL goes AWOL » 910 weeks ago
The Sun..
#4124 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » VR seek Irish Frontman » 910 weeks ago
I see images of "whiskey in the jar" renditions in Irish pubs.
Just kidding. Could be cool, but a bit early to speculate.
#4125 Re: Guns N' Roses » What's your favorite guitar solo on the album? » 910 weeks ago
Ha! Silly me.
Ok, so his best albums are really CD revisits..hmm 
#4126 Re: Guns N' Roses » What's your favorite guitar solo on the album? » 910 weeks ago
Scraped. The only time Bucket revisits his Elephant Man style.
Other than that, TWAT of course and both solos in CITR.
#4127 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Re-Visiting Contraband » 910 weeks ago
I'm not talking about Estranged complex, I'm talking Nightrain and Jungle complex. Interesting riffs and melodies playing off each other. Contraband remind me more of some of AC/Dcs late 80s albums.
Some interesting ideas and cool parts, but as a whole forgettable. Slither is the only song I still feel like playing.
#4128 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Re-Visiting Contraband » 910 weeks ago
Some good ideas, but ultimately lacking. Vocals are terrible, but the worst part is the arrangements. So shallow and simple. I feel that's the case with all the ex-members post GN'R work. While CD isn't perfect I think it shows who they've always needed to put their combined talent together and make it greater than the sum of parts.
Some of the best songs on AFD were initially laughed at and thrown in the trash by these guys...
#4129 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Steven Adler OWNS all new GNR drummers » 911 weeks ago
polluxlm wrote:Like it or not, Adler was the drummer on GN'Rs two defining albums. He was perfect for the original band.
See the whole thing about gnr is which era you like. For some it's the AFD era, for others the UYI era. For me it's UYI. I don't think adler's drumming would fit with UYI stuff.
In many ways I appreciate the UYI and CD stuff more than the original era, but I don't see how one can look at the ritz band and not say "now that's rock n' fuckin' roll". What came after was cool and all, but it wasn't the same. It wasn't as real.
#4130 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week? » 911 weeks ago
Nobody's forcing you to read.
We had more promotion when the album wasn't coming out. It's asinine.
