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#4361 Re: The Garden » 9/11 » 955 weeks ago
The backbone of the government story is that pressure from above initiated a domino effect, causing the entire structure to collapse. However, when you see the first tower starting to fall you'll notice the top of the building beginning to slide to the side on it's way off the building. This corresponds with the laws of physics that say: an object will always fall in the direction of least resistance.
So where did the additional pressure come from? Clearly it can't be from a part of the building on it's way off the building.
And what do you have to say about the dozens of people that were in the area that claim they heard bombs? The injuries and casualties as a result of it? How do you explain the damage to the lobby? To the basement? The smoke coming from ground level? Remember, this was all before the collapse.
What do you say about the thousands who claim there were no bombs? Smoke came from fire as it came down the elevator shaft. The vast majority, 99.9% of the smoke came from the point of impact as the thousands of photos portray.
Provide me with a singular linear theory of events. Simply proposing a multitude of possibilites to different stages isn't enough. If you believe it was a controlled demolition, explain who did it, how they did it and why. Anyone that attempts to provide a complete, alternate version is quickly shot down as all the theories thus far are found wanting. Basically it comes down to this, if you want to believe something, you're going to find a way to justify it. Religious zealots do this too. People who deny we landed on the moon also do this.
#4362 Re: The Garden » Life on Mars?? Starting to look that way... » 955 weeks ago
Dude, it's science. The surface is exposed to extreme levels of radiation. Water DOES not exist on the surface. It evaporates as soon as it would breech. These are laws of biology and physics. I'm done with this topic. Obviously some people get emotional over it and I have no interest in offending people. Live Long and Prosper.
#4363 Re: The Garden » 9/11 » 955 weeks ago
The top one is definitely not a plane nor building similar to the WTC attack obviously. Because I don't know the context of the 2nd building, I can't comment. But notice how there isn't a sihlouette of the plane's wings in either photo, which is a common citation of proof of a missle attack among 9/11 truthers.
#4364 Re: The Garden » 9/11 » 955 weeks ago
There's plenty of airline crashes to use as reference, and several that actually hit skyscrapers. None of them fell like the WTC did.
That damage at the Pentagon isn't even the size of an airliner. Gimme a break. Maybe a truck bomb or something of that nature, but not an airplane.
Are you failing to see something in the photos? The first picture I provided showed the 75ft width of the hole in the Pentagon. In the 2nd Lair of the Pentagon, there is a smaller, 15ft wide hole that was caused by the landing gear as the main portion of the plane basically vaporized on impact.
Please for the love of god. If you people are going to make claims about 9/11, please do some basic research.
Oh and James, please provide me some examples of Boeings crashing into other skyscrapers of similar design and material as the WTC. I'm sure you've looked this up before and have a well thought out explanation. 
#4365 Re: The Garden » Life on Mars?? Starting to look that way... » 955 weeks ago
Oooh, being such an X-Files fan I can already tell I'm gonna love this thread. Thanks for posting those, James. "Smoking gun" is damn right. Man, that pic sort of creeps me out, to be honest. Don't worry, I'll have something worthwhile to contribute when I'm not so groggy.
By the way, Randall Flagg, you wouldn't happen to be a fan of Howard Chaykin's American Flagg! graphic novels, would you? I sure am. I'm co-writing a script right now called Burning Flagg where I've even named the main character Eddie Flagg. Just, it's an interesting spelling if you didn't take it from the same source.
#4366 Re: The Garden » Life on Mars?? Starting to look that way... » 955 weeks ago
Umm, there is nothing arrogant about it; it's a scientific fact. The reason Earth is protected from Solar Winds and Radiation is because of our magnetic field and ozone layer. Mars is geologically dead, it lacks the strong magnetic force the Earth has that deflects solar winds. It also lacks the Ozone layer. These are simple facts that can be googled in a second. No scientist that I'm aware of has ever claimed that life existed on the surface, certainly not to the extent you're claiming.
James, I respect you as a poster, but you're going nutso over two blurry photos, one taken from space even. You're basing a belief in intelligent life on Mars because of an image that slightly resembles a humanoid walking. Don't you think that in the thousands of pictures available we'd have seen something more, maybe even vegetation? You can buy telescopes that can view the martian surface from your back yard, do don't give me some govt coverup excuse. Your statement is about as scientifically grounded as claiming the moon is made of cheese - literally.
edit : Astronomy and our knowledge of the planets has increased DRAMATICALLY over the past 20 years. They thought there would be vegitation and plant life on Mars during the 70s until we actually reached the planet.
Here is a link from Britannica explaining why teh surface is sterile. : http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9110149/Mars
#4367 Re: The Garden » 9/11 » 955 weeks ago
How many Jetline crashes have you scene? How many have you scene crash into a fortfied building?
#4368 Re: The Garden » 9/11 » 955 weeks ago
actually that was meant as a reply to flagg...but was not posted as such. I am on your side of the debate, if there are sides, that is.
What are you talking about? The scholars list their area of expertise and occupation. This is no secret and is commonly known about the scholars for truth. I have provided a source for all my arguments. I support the offical, logical story and have evidence to support it. Many of you assert a coverup and then attempt to work backwards to justify it. No one has yet to provide a linear theory of alternate causes and events, just multiple scenarios to unique times of the attack.
#4369 Re: The Garden » Life on Mars?? Starting to look that way... » 955 weeks ago
I'm sure an intelligent civilization could adapt, but there'd be architecture ala Total Recall to support such a civilization. You certainly wouldn't see a "sasquatch" type creature walking down a martian slope. I'm not saying intelligent life doesn't exist in the universe (I believe it does) or that it may have one time existed on Mars ( Mars was once very similar to Earth), but there is no intelligent life on Mars now.
#4370 Re: The Garden » Life on Mars?? Starting to look that way... » 955 weeks ago
The surface of mars is sterile. With little atmosphere, radiation exposure would destroy life on the surface. While I'm not discounting the possible of bacteria or other similar life forms below the surface, humanoids are not present on the surface of mars. The whole face on mars pic has been proven just a mirage just as I'm sure this "woman" is as well. I want the Vulcans to land as much as anyone else, but intelligent life only exists on one planet in this solar system.
