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#431 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 318 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:misterID wrote:Buzz, go outside. Have fun. This isn't about science, you're not talking science. You don't think there's a problem, it's all exaggerated. Go to it.
I know you're not talking about science, but I am. You're taking something completely unrelated and trying to equate it to this. There is no condom equivalent here...not even a mask. Science is easy after the fact, but not so easy or clear when things are actually happening.
You're talking out of your ass like some others here assuming that just because I can see that the science doesn't back the reaction that I'm reckless and think we should just sit there and do nothing. I invite you to post anywhere that I said it. I'll be waiting...for a while.
You're not talking sience, but your poorly formed opinion. I gave you examples and you ignored them. New Orleans, even California vs New York. South Korea and Italy. Businesses were shutting down before they were told to, like I pointed out. The economy was going to crash no matter what. There are states who never even issued stay at home orders, the private sector did it on its own. If there was no isolation there would have been more sick, the spread would have been worse, I've seen no one dispute how contagious this thing is, which would have hurt businesses even worse and for far longer... Like New Orleans.
But you keep acting like your made up opinion is right and everything else is anecdotal. Then you get mad and childish when people disagree, per usual. Like I said, go out. Have fun if it's no big deal. Put your theory to the test.
So you have no point? You're being a mitch level twat here ignoring what I said and taking things that have nothing to do with what I said as counter points. Step back with mitch...you can't handle science buddy.
#432 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 318 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:Sweden is going to see a spike I'm sure...the question isn't where they end up in 2 days or a week; it's where they end up when it's over. Remember...if we "flattened the curve" we also dragged this out longer.
This makes no sense. We flattened the curve because of isolation. It seems only Dr. Buzz, Facebook post PHD, disagrees.
Omg are you fucking dumb. Go away mitch...adults are talking.
#433 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 318 weeks ago
Sweden is going to see a spike I'm sure...the question isn't where they end up in 2 days or a week; it's where they end up when it's over. Remember...if we "flattened the curve" we also dragged this out longer.
#434 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 318 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:Lol...the quarantine accomplished nothing...what's so hard to understand about that?
Ridiculous statement in any context.
Wrong. If you do two things and both get the same result, how is destroying the economy the right way and anything else is the wrong way? Serious question. I know you can't answer this because quite frankly there's no excuse for it, but I'm content to wait until the facts give you no choice.
#435 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 318 weeks ago
I'll leave it there. You can add me to your list of "owned" people.
Stay safe!
You make it too easy...please try harder. Context matters son.
#436 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 318 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:Lol...the quarantine accomplished nothing...what's so hard to understand about that? People already spread it. It's too late. Quarantine the at risk. Nothing is being accomplished with anything else they are doing.
Yes, read the whole thing. Quarantine the at risk. Sweden and Italy are now confirming this. Next?
#437 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 318 weeks ago
PaSnow wrote:Buzzsaw, explain Italy. Why did they not see an increase in deaths until Feb/March? Was the US Media in on that hoax? Why did the UK shutdown also in March? Was that the US Media? Boris Johnson goes to ICU in April? Why did Tom Hanks obtain 'the flu' in the summertime in Australia??
You have to disconnect this from your twisted political thoughts. Not everything is black and white. I never have said it wasn't real; nor have I said to ignore it. I said what we're doing isn't worth the price being paid...and so far nothing has happened that makes that any less true. It should have been handled better by protecting the at risk instead of quarantining everyone; given that in ITALY (since you brought it up) 40/60 that had been quarantined and never showed any symptoms tested positive, it basically confirms what I've been saying. Protect the at risk, let the rest develop herd immunity. I didn't come up with that; scientists and doctors did.
You're such a tool that you think everything is all or nothing and there's nothing in-between. It's why nobody can talk to you or mitch in the political thread anymore and it's why you guys are now talking to yourselves there for the most part. You don't have the ability to understand anything other than what you've been led to believe. It's sad.
For Irish...my idea even has people being isolated; just not everyone. So...what else you got?
#438 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 318 weeks ago
Buzz you were claiming isolation has no effect on this virus that can be transmitted from human to human. You are flat out wrong. Is it the only way it is transmitted? Maybe, maybe not but is clearly having an effect. Nobody is agreeing with you and you know it was a dumb statement but somehow your ego is not allowing you to admit this.
Move on already.
I think a good idea may be to have certain categories of people return back to work slowly and manage the surge from those blocks at a time. This would result in a more manageable number while turning those blocks to herd immunity.
Where? Show me the post. My stance has and will always be the destruction we've done to the economy isn't worth it. Never said isolation does nothing. You guys are so idiotic. Don't repeat what you think I wrote...if you don't understand, feel free to ask. I am way, way, way less black and white than almost anyone here, so it's safe to assume I'm not on either extreme. If you *think* that's what I said, you got it wrong.
#439 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 318 weeks ago
Sweden will be interesting I think to see how things pan out there. They seem to be the only ones committing to the heard immunity theory, hard not if that would apply to other nations anyway as Sweden is pretty remote and unpopulated in the main. Certainly not got a London/New York type metropolis to like for like comparison.
If nothing else we will learn a lot on how to respond to this kind of thing in the future should it happen again.
Buzz do you have an English translation to that Italian article you keep citing? 40 of 60 quarantined people is interesting but it's pretty meaningless without the who/what/when and where.
Not sure about your flu statement Randall, in Italy more people have died of Covid in 2 months than have died of Flu in the last 10 years combined. They seem to think when all is done it will be around1% fatality rate, which is x10 worse than seasonal flu. Covid is also killing healthy 30 and 40 year olds, not in statistically large numbers but flu doesn't tend to do that. It will be interesting to know why one 35 year old catches it and is asymptomatic whereas another healthy 35 year old ends up on ITU or worse.
I have seen parts of it translated...I'll see if I can find the whole article.
So far the numbers in Sweden look good. That doesn't mean they will in 2 weeks, but for now results are favorable. Yes, Sweden doesn't have a NYC, but that doesn't mean you ignore the results. It means you may have to handle big cities differently, but that still doesn't necessarily mean what we did/are doing is the right answer there either.
There's so much we don't know and they keep changing the rules as we go along, yet everyone wants to act like there's no other path...if that was true, they wouldn't keep changing as they learn more. That's what's driving me nuts about this...all these keyboard warriors acting like they have all the answers because CDC said so. Well, CDC said don't use masks a week ago and changed that this week. NOBODY has all the answers yet. NOBODY.
#440 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 318 weeks ago
buzzsaw wrote:misterID wrote:Wear a condom, you most likely won't get aids. Sitting back years later and saying, "man, all these years and I never caught aids. Why the fuck did I ever wear a rubber for?"
New Orleans decided not to social distance when everyone else did, had Mardi Gras, and now they're headed to be worse with infections than New York. Places where citizens didn't listen did worse than those who did. South Korea vs Italy.
WDW shut down without being ordered to. They shut down all their properties, losing millions everyday, because they weighed the risks and long term damage that would be caused to guests and employees between staying open and closing. They have people whose only job is to decide these things. Disney NEVER shuts down. They're still not open.
If you don't believe it, fuck it, go out. Don't stay home, don't wash your hands.
Did you ever take a science class? This is beyond backwards thinking and not at all how science works.
Buzz, go outside. Have fun. This isn't about science, you're not talking science. You don't think there's a problem, it's all exaggerated. Go to it.
I know you're not talking about science, but I am. You're taking something completely unrelated and trying to equate it to this. There is no condom equivalent here...not even a mask. Science is easy after the fact, but not so easy or clear when things are actually happening.
You're talking out of your ass like some others here assuming that just because I can see that the science doesn't back the reaction that I'm reckless and think we should just sit there and do nothing. I invite you to post anywhere that I said it. I'll be waiting...for a while.
