Randall Flagg wrote:

It’s looking like 60k Americans will die from COVID. Less than the 61k who died of the flu, and less than the 67k who overdosed in 2018. I fully support the lockdown measures, but this needs to end soon. We can’t take a wrecking ball to the world economy to try to prevent the death amount of people who OD each year. Are you willing to live like this each flu season?  If not, you understand the point.

It's 60k because people are social distancing. You can't take preventive measures, cut down the rates of death and infection, then say, "look, see how low the numbers are? This lockdown is nonsense!" I know you're not saying that, but many others are.

The economy will come back. We'll start going back to normal soon. But we don't need to blow up everything we did because we're getting restless. A lot of businesses would not have survived without these measures because people stopped going out anyway. Businesses cut their losses and were shutting down anyway. Now they have a way to come back.I

There are already lawsuits over infections, I can't imagine what that would be like had we not implemented these measures or if they cut them too soon.

buzzsaw wrote:

PaSnow wrote:

Buzzsaw, take a look at the bus driver from Detroit who made the FB video about a rider coughing on the bus with no regard for safety.  Then he died 3 weeks later. Are you telling me if he stayed home, or she stayed home, he still would've died?

Just stop for a second.  First it's one situation of someone being reckless. Is public transportation shut down in NY now?  It wasn't before and it probably wasn't in other locations either, so the guy still would have been driving a bus and someone that doesn't give a shit still would have coughed on his bus. We don't make decisions based on one-off situations.

The horse is way out of the barn.  Asymptomatic people have been spreading the virus before any shutdowns happened.  Whenever they get around to testing for it, I assure you my wife had this back in Nov/Dec when she was coughing for several weeks and a bunch of people had the same thing.  The virus was already out there and spread...unless you can explain to me how 2/3 of the people that had been quarantined tested positive some other way, which I highly doubt. 

Look at the numbers.  The actual numbers, not the media estimates. Unbiased models had far less dying in the US (I don't recall the exact numbers, but if you want to argue with me on this, I'll go get the numbers).  Regardless, it's far less than what the media has been shoving down people's throats.  Mortality rates when they actually find out how many really had it are going to be minuscule. 

Nobody ever wants to argue the data...it's always feelings. Fuck feelings. It's okay to feel things, but it's not okay to make decisions strictly based off of how you feel.

Good god man...get over yourself. I like how you get to select the models that are worth looking at and the ones that aren’t.

Your rhetoric is irresponsible at least...and possibly dangerous at the most. You’re not qualified to have these opinions.

Buzzsaw, take a look at the bus driver from Detroit who made the FB video about a rider coughing on the bus with no regard for safety.  Then he died 3 weeks later. Are you telling me if he stayed home, or she stayed home, he still would've died?

It's called being asymptomatic, and people like that would go out to movies, dinner, MLB games and spread it to a dozen others.

What's so hard to grasp about this??