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#4651 Re: The Garden » 9/11 » 911 weeks ago

A Japanese TV show did an analysis on some unanswered questions about 911. These two videos are excerpts focusing on the impossibility of making a cellphone call at 30.000 feet (they test it).

Part 1 (10 min)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WEimCGjEmr8

Part 2 (10 min)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MPG6WURLC7Y

#4652 Re: The Garden » House approves $70 billion more for war » 911 weeks ago

That was just an example showing how easily one can be manipulated when all you know of foreign policy is the White House version of it, like you say.

#4653 Re: The Garden » House approves $70 billion more for war » 911 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

My point is only those who have a vested interest should have that kind of responsibility.  I'm not saying they should vote a certain way; how they vote is entirely on them.  But someone who doesn't pay taxes or contribute to the economy shouldn't have the same say as a forty year old with a wife and two kids. 

People only focus on what is important to and affects thems.  Unfortunately, what affects the working class is what is most important to the country and the world.  Teenagers worried about lowering the drinking age and elderly scared of change aren't what's good for America.  It is because of the lack of involvement that our country is on a downward spiral.  This is the downside of a Democracy as polluxlm stated. 

Would you prefer a dictator who only does things from his point of view?  Cause unless we enact measures that force people to vote responsibly, things are only going to get worse.

I see where you're coming from, but what makes you think a working class guy with a family is more qualified to vote than anyone else?

The problem as I see it isn't vested interest, although that helps, but lack of knowledge. Your guy might be smarter in that he wants job security, steady economy, low taxes etc., contra lower drinking age etc. Still, in the vast majority of causes this mans needs can be exploited because he really doesn't understand the mechanisms of what he's voting for. Just because the President says he will do this or that doesn't really mean it will happen. For somebody who is more than averagely interested in politics and intelligent, this is often pretty obvious. The majority however don't. They vote for faces and emotions.

The Iraq war has so far cost each American 3000$ in inflation. Would people have condoned the war if they knew/understood this?

In my opinion the current system of democracy is obsolete. The masses are easily deceived, that's the way it's always been and probably always will be. This opens the society to exploitation by 'the strong'. The founding fathers knew this, which is why they set up a constitution and a bill of rights where the primary needs are protected. Sadly that wasn't enough. Today the constitution is not much more than a historical piece of paper. It gets violated everyday.

That shows how vulnerable we are when people are not knowledgeable and stop being vigilant. Imo this is a much more serious issue than any depression, war or health care.

#4654 Re: The Garden » Questions About Global Over Population » 911 weeks ago

AtariLegend wrote:
Jameslofton wrote:
AtariLegend wrote:

Better not be a war with China anytime soon...

Yeah, it would suck to have to obliterate 1.2 billion chinese people in 10 minutes.

The Bible says we'd all get owned...

It doesn't specify who 'we' is though...

#4655 Re: The Garden » Wonder who we will be fighting in 10-20 years? » 911 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:
AtariLegend wrote:

Out of curiosity how much does the US spend on research into oil alternative research each year, cause it won't be around forever even with a few discounts from Saudi Arabia....

E85 is the new 'future' thing. Hopefully it works, because it's made out of corn oil. So American Farmers could grow it and convert it into oil. Some cars are able to run off of both it & regular gas. I think all GM's can (Chevy Pontiac Caddy Buick etc) or at least alot of them. There was something on 60 minutes about it. And there were these farmers who pooled there money togehter & mortgaged their farms. The had a refinery built & it converts corn into E85 fuel. Apparently it's been really successful for them, as they are one of a few who make it, so I give them alot of credit for taking such a risk.

Yeah, food for oil...great idea. Why eat, when I can drive, right?

I think there's plenty of oil left out there.

#4656 Re: The Garden » What happens when you drink a Coke » 911 weeks ago

Not to defend Coke, but I have a problem with this 'evil sugar' angle. Sure, too much of anything is never good for you, but I get the feeling this is an attempt to lure people into buying diet drinks instead. One can say what one wants about sugar, it is at least natural. I'd take a coke over diet coke any day.

The sound thing to do is of course to stay away from all 'useless' food and drink. Be it sugar or 'no sugar'.

#4657 The Garden » Prisoners to be chipped like dogs » 911 weeks ago

polluxlm
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Hi-tech 'satellite' tagging planned in order to create more space in jails
Civil rights groups and probation officers furious at 'degrading' scheme
By Brian Brady, Whitehall Editor
Published: 13 January 2008

Ministers are planning to implant "machine-readable" microchips under the skin of thousands of offenders as part of an expansion of the electronic tagging scheme that would create more space in British jails.

Amid concerns about the security of existing tagging systems and prison overcrowding, the Ministry of Justice is investigating the use of satellite and radio-wave technology to monitor criminals.

But, instead of being contained in bracelets worn around the ankle, the tiny chips would be surgically inserted under the skin of offenders in the community, to help enforce home curfews. The radio frequency identification (RFID) tags, as long as two grains of rice, are able to carry scanable personal information about individuals, including their identities, address and offending record.

The tags, labelled "spychips" by privacy campaigners, are already used around the world to keep track of dogs, cats, cattle and airport luggage, but there is no record of the technology being used to monitor offenders in the community. The chips are also being considered as a method of helping to keep order within prisons.

A senior Ministry of Justice official last night confirmed that the department hoped to go even further, by extending the geographical range of the internal chips through a link-up with satellite-tracking similar to the system used to trace stolen vehicles. "All the options are on the table, and this is one we would like to pursue," the source added.

The move is in line with a proposal from Ken Jones, the president of the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo), that electronic chips should be surgically implanted into convicted paedophiles and sex offenders in order to track them more easily. Global Positioning System (GPS) technology is seen as the favoured method of monitoring such offenders to prevent them going near "forbidden" zones such as primary schools.

"We have wanted to take advantage of this technology for several years, because it seems a sensible solution to the problems we are facing in this area," a senior minister said last night. "We have looked at it and gone back to it and worried about the practicalities and the ethics, but when you look at the challenges facing the criminal justice system, it's time has come."

The Government has been forced to review sentencing policy amid serious overcrowding in the nation's jails, after the prison population soared from 60,000 in 1997 to 80,000 today. The crisis meant the number of prisoners held in police cells rose 13-fold last year, with police stations housing offenders more than 60,000 times in 2007, up from 4,617 the previous year. The UK has the highest prison population per capita in western Europe, and the Government is planning for an extra 20,000 places at a cost of £3.8bn - including three gigantic new "superjails" - in the next six years.

More than 17,000 individuals, including criminals and suspects released on bail, are subject to electronic monitoring at any one time, under curfews requiring them to stay at home up to 12 hours a day. But official figures reveal that almost 2,000 offenders a year escape monitoring by tampering with ankle tags or tearing them off. Curfew breaches rose from 11,435 in 2005 to 43,843 in 2006 - up 283 per cent. The monitoring system, which relies on mobile-phone technology, can fail if the network crashes.

A multimillion-pound pilot of satellite monitoring of offenders was shelved last year after a report revealed many criminals simply ditched the ankle tag and separate portable tracking unit issued to them. The "prison without bars" project also failed to track offenders when they were in the shadow of tall buildings.

The Independent on Sunday has now established that ministers have been assessing the merits of cutting-edge technology that would make it virtually impossible for individuals to remove their electronic tags.

The tags, injected into the back of the arm with a hypodermic needle, consist of a toughened glass capsule holding a computer chip, a copper antenna and a "capacitor" that transmits data stored on the chip when prompted by an electromagnetic reader.

But details of the dramatic option for tightening controls over Britain's criminals provoked an angry response from probation officers and civil-rights groups. Shami Chakrabarti, director of Liberty, said: "If the Home Office doesn't understand why implanting a chip in someone is worse than an ankle bracelet, they don't need a human-rights lawyer; they need a common-sense bypass.

"Degrading offenders in this way will do nothing for their rehabilitation and nothing for our safety, as some will inevitably find a way round this new technology."

Harry Fletcher, assistant general secretary of the National Association of Probation Officers, said the proposal would not make his members' lives easier and would degrade their clients. He added: "I have heard about this suggestion, but we feel the system works well enough as it is. Knowing where offenders like paedophiles are does not mean you know what they are doing.

"This is the sort of daft idea that comes up from the department every now and then, but tagging people in the same way we tag our pets cannot be the way ahead. Treating people like pieces of meat does not seem to represent an improvement in the system to me."

The US market leader VeriChip Corp, whose parent company has been selling radio tags for animals for more than a decade, has sold 7,000 RFID microchips worldwide, of which about 2,000 have been implanted in humans. The company claims its VeriChips are used in more than 5,000 installations, crossing healthcare, security, government and industrial markets, but they have also been used to verify VIP membership in nightclubs, automatically gaining the carrier entry - and deducting the price of their drinks from a pre-paid account.

The possible value of the technology to the UK's justice system was first highlighted 18 months ago, when Acpo's Mr Jones suggested the chips could be implanted into sex offenders. The implants would be tracked by satellite, enabling authorities to set up "zones", including schools, playgrounds and former victims' homes, from which individuals would be barred.

"If we are prepared to track cars, why don't we track people?" Mr Jones said. "You could put surgical chips into those of the most dangerous sex offenders who are willing to be controlled."

The case for: 'We track cars, so why not people?'

The Government is struggling to keep track of thousands of offenders in the community and is troubled by an overcrowded prison system close to bursting. Internal tagging offers a solution that could impose curfews more effectively than at present, and extend the system by keeping sex offenders out of "forbidden areas". "If we are prepared to track cars, why don't we track people?" said Ken Jones, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo).

Officials argue that the internal tags enable the authorities to enforce thousands of court orders by ensuring offenders remain within their own walls during curfew hours - and allow the immediate verification of ID details when challenged.

The internal tags also have a use in maintaining order within prisons. In the United States, they are used to track the movement of gang members within jails.

Offenders themselves would prefer a tag they can forget about, instead of the bulky kit carried around on the ankle.

The case against: 'The rest of us could be next'

Professionals in the criminal justice system maintain that the present system is 95 per cent effective. Radio frequency identification (RFID) technology is unproven. The technology is actually more invasive, and carries more information about the host. The devices have been dubbed "spychips" by critics who warn that they would transmit data about the movements of other people without their knowledge.

Consumer privacy expert Liz McIntyre said a colleague had already proved he could "clone" a chip. "He can bump into a chipped person and siphon the chip's unique signal in a matter of seconds," she said.

One company plans deeper implants that could vibrate, electroshock the implantee, broadcast a message, or serve as a microphone to transmit conversations. "Some folks might foolishly discount all of these downsides and futuristic nightmares since the tagging is proposed for criminals like rapists and murderers," Ms McIntyre said. "The rest of us could be next."

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politi … 333852.ece

#4658 Re: The Sunset Strip » "What Are You Listening To" Thread » 911 weeks ago

Exile On Main Street - Rolling Stones

#4659 Re: The Garden » Words/Phrases that I fucking hate! » 911 weeks ago

"Y' know what I'm sayin'?"

"Whateeever"

#4660 Re: The Garden » Electronic Sacrifice! » 911 weeks ago

I've already gotten rid of my TV. Well, not the actual screen, but I don't watch programs anymore. Only dvd's and game systems.

Personally I'd have no problem without a cell either, but unfortunately society does not.

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