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#4751 Re: The Garden » Black Knight » 916 weeks ago
Article in Time (1960): http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic … id=googlep
Edit: Some additional tidbits
In Disneyland of the Gods, John Keel writes of the Black Knight satellite. Never mind the almanac. You won't find it listed with Sputnik or Explorer. Black Knight is the name given to a radar blip discovered in 1960. This mystery satellite was found in a polar orbit, something neither the US nor the Soviets had accomplished. It was several times larger and several times heavier than anything capable of being launched with 1960 rockets. It shouldn't have been there, but it was.
If that weren't enough, ham operators began receiving odd messages from the Black Knight. One operator decoded a series of these messages as a star map. The map centered on Epsilon Boštes as seen from the earth 13,000 years ago. Remember, stars don't move very far even after 13,000 years, and Epsilon Boštes is moving towards us. Only the neighboring stars appear different after that amount of time. Was the Black Knight an alien calling card?
I gotta get myself a telescope.
#4752 The Garden » Black Knight » 916 weeks ago
- polluxlm
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I found this on another forum. A little messy, but goddamn, I've never ever even heard about this.
MYSTERY SATELLITE
At the time, Professor Martin Byron was in Melbourne, Australia,
on a scientific lecture tour.
He had just stepped under the shower, when a sharp tingle sent him
scurrying to his bedside phone.
Pasadena, California. "Martin, there's been another sighting of the
Black Knight. The NASA men are calling for details. Kazantsev in
Moscow is pushing for an immediate expedition to the vicinity. We want
you back as soon as possible."
Byron set down the receiver.
So it was on again. Not sighted for twenty years. And now . . . He
snatched up the mouthpiece and dialed another number.
MYSTERY SATELLITE
I was still some fifteen minutes away from Byron's hotel apartment,
which afforded time for reflection.
It was, I recalled, in October 1957, that man's most daring triumph'”
Sputnik I'”had been rocketed suddenly into orbit 584 miles above the
earth.
With excitement, mingled almost with disbelief, millions worldwide
had scanned the night sky to glimpse that shining artificial moon
skimming on its path east to west against the canopy of stars.
Within four months America had followed suit.
So, after aeons of tortoise-paced development, humanity had suddenly
leapt off the planet; it was startling'”and we were alive to see it!
Then came a bizarre discovery. It was hushed up quickly, I recalled.
I was now at Byron's hotel. The ignition key off, I sat, musing.
As tracking stations swung into action to monitor these new moons,
the night sky had tossed up an awesome mystery. Another satellite was
discovered already in orbit.
Certainly it was neither American nor Russian'”and the uncanny truth
was nobody else had the technology.
ASTRONOMERS IN SHOCK
French astronomer Jacques Valle of the Paris Observatory, saw it
three times in 1961 and got eleven data points in forty-five seconds.
It seemed to be orbiting in reverse at an altitude of over 22,000
miles above the earth.
Experts were jolted. Who put this satellite into orbit? How long had
it been there?
"I'm glad you could come." smiled the professor, offering a chair.
"Now there's something for your research. I might say the Russians
have the edge on us, in this investigation.
WILL SOMEONE BOARD IT?
'Lev Gindelis and the Pulkovo Observatory in Leningrad concur that
the Black Knight is out there waiting for us to explore its cargo,
and God only knows, whatever we find aboard it may change the course
of history."
I shuffled intently. 'So you believe this is an intelligently placed
vehicle?"
"Well, it's not a meteor, and you can rule out space junk."
Let me share with you a little more detail, here.
OTHERS INVESTIGATE THIS ODDITY
In 1953, four years before the U.S.S.R. launched Sputnik I, it was
sighted by Dr Lincoln La Paz of the University of New Mexico.
As more reports of sightings trickled in from around the world, the
U.S. Department of Defense appointed distinguished astronomer Clyde
W. Tombaugh to run a search for the mystery object. The same man had
discovered Pluto in 1930.
The Pentagon never formally released the results of Dr Tombaugh's
study.
And no more was heard about the object until December, 1957, when Dr
Luis Corralos of the Communications Ministry in Venezuela photographed
it.
The first modern satellite, Sputnik I, had been launched two months
earlier. Dr Corralos was taking pictures of Sputnik II as it passed
over Caracas.
His photograph revealed a trace of a second, unknown object following
the Soviet satellite.
Compared with the satellites being put into orbit by the United States
and the Soviet Union, this unknown satellite was huge. Astronomers and
military tracking stations were following its course.
IN A POLAR ORBIT
Then on January 4, 1960, scientists discovered two large objects in a
polar orbit.
Up to that time, neither the U.S. nor the U.S.S.R had achieved a polar
orbit.
ENORMOUS SIZE
The objects were estimated to weigh at least 15 tons confused.gif . By comparison,
the largest U.S. satellite at that time weighed 450 pounds and the
largest Soviet satellite 2,925 pounds.
In February, the U.S. Department of Defense made an official
announcement about an unknown satellite that was orbiting the earth.
In a 1,104 word special news release published in the New York Times
on February 11, John W. Finney announced:
'An unidentified, silent satellite has been discovered circling the
earth in a near-polar orbit by United States tracking stations, the
Defense Department said today.
'The identity and origin of the mystery satellite - which has been
dubbed '˜the dark satellite' are not known despite nearly two weeks of
tracking.'
Several different observatories tracked and studied it, as well as the
National Space Surveillance Control Center at New Bedford,
Massachusetts.
Professor Alla Masevich, the Soviet scientist in charge of the Russian
Sputnik tracking programme, denied that the mystery satellites belonged
to the Soviet Union.
THE BLACK KNIGHT
The press labelled the object The Black Knight. It was extensively
discussed in the New York Times, Newsweek, Life, and other major
periodicals.
Since then, this amazing discovery has been buried in the fine print
of NASA's weekly catalogue of debris and objects orbiting the earth.
DID ANCIENT MAN LAUNCH SATELLITES?
Did our ancestors really launch satellites? I'm not just talking about
flight'¦ but something far ahead of that. Was ancient man really so
advanced?
Occasionally I am asked for updates on this mystery satellite.
Unable to find anything about it on the Internet, some have questioned
the validity of the report in my book Dead Men's Secrets.
More recently I received an email from JM, a well-known U.S. radio
host.
He reported, 'I asked a friend with privileged access about the '˜Black
Knight'. His surprised response: '˜How do you know about that? It's
highly classified''.
THREATENED WITH DEATH
JM added, 'I have two of the three dimensions: 10 feet X 70 feet'¦ The
PTB (Powers That Be) pretty much threaten death to anyone revealing
what they know about this. This is one of the best kept secrets on
the planet. They use the usual techniques of compartmentalization,
etc'.
Such behaviour is fairly common in relation to discoveries that
threaten the prevailing theory that man in the past was primitive -
evolving from animals.
The existence of high technology thousands of years ago supports rather
the idea that early man began life on earth with high intelligence and
a feeling for handcrafts and technology - just as the biblical book of
Genesis says.
This may come as a shock to you. But giant earth orbiting satellites
made of shiny metal are described in detail in ancient Sanskrit texts geek.gif ,
right down to their dimensions and interiors.
Also smaller craft that fly between them and the earth.
What are we discovering here? Nothing less than extremely advanced
man-made technology in the past.
ANCIENT CHINESE SPACE TRAVEL
Indications of the reality of ancient space travel do come from widely
separated parts of the world. Written - as well as oral - tradition is
widespread, and, it seems, reliable.
The Indians speak not only of ancient man-made satellites, but also
space vehicles leaving this earth.
So do the Chinese - in amazing detail.
Chinese historians in particular never tried to please their rulers at
the expense of truth. Death was preferred to untruthful reports of
history.
As an example, we have the fate of historians in the reign of Chi in
547 BC. We should therefore take seriously the historical reports of
China, even if they seem at first to be far-fetched.
It's time we took a fresh look at our history'¦ all scientifically
described and documented, by reporters who lived in an age when not
only flight was common, but even visits to the moon and possibly to
more distant areas of our solar system.
#4753 Re: The Sunset Strip » 10 Greatest Horror Films of all Time elimination- Round 5 » 916 weeks ago
Nightmare On Elm Street.
Tough one. Elm is scarier than The Exorcist, but still a lesser film. Better as a series though.
Voting of The Thing is sacrilege btw!
#4754 Re: The Garden » That Canadian Pig Farmer is found Guilty » 916 weeks ago
Why dig down the bodies when you have a pig farm? Would be no way to catch him if the evidence is eaten.
Clever guy.
#4755 Re: The Garden » Former Italian President: "911 was an inside job" » 917 weeks ago
Ok, guess I'm back on the train.
This is a great investigative piece by Popular Mechanics that debunks a lot of the WTC 7 and Pentagon crash claims. Conspiracists will write it off as the media supporting the government, but the people who talk about the myhs of 9/11 are all independent.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol … 27842.html
It debunks the fact that WTC 7 was not damaged or fell straight down. It actually fell diagonally, away from all available cameras because there were no cameras left on the side where the first two towers fell. And when the two towers fell, it sheared off a lot of WTC 7 not visible to camera positioned in Manhattan.
Read it. Do it. I read the other links in this thread.
Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst, so it's not what I'd call the most independent source.
But ok.
"The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom '” approximately 10 stories '” about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.
Yes. I have seen this in other building as well. Some stay, and those that fall, well, they fall. They don't collapse to dust.
But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down.
According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."
The keywords here are 'suggests' and 'could'. No doubt, I'm sure their scenario could happen on a block of paper, but fact is it has never happened before. I mean, all the steel columns snapping at the same time? Some event.
The main conclusion in NISTs report is that 'once collapse was initiated global collapse was inevitable'. Well, sure, but why can't they explain the initiation?
Does NISTs report explain why WTC7 was reported to have collapsed on BBC 15 minutes before it did? (BBC claims they lost all those tapes in their archives)
Does it explain why Steven Jones found thermite, which is used to create the necessary heat in controlled demolitions, in the steel?
Does it explain why the military had 'wargames' the very same morning depicting a multiple hijacked planes scenario, in the same area?
Does it explain this testimony by the secretary of transportation?
Mineta testified "during the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, 'the plane is 50 miles out, the plane is 30 miles out.' And when it got to 'the plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the Vice President, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the Vice President...said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"
This all indicates foreknowledge and cover-up. You don't have to believe it, but it does.
#4756 Re: The Garden » Former Italian President: "911 was an inside job" » 917 weeks ago
If everything can be explained away, I guess there's really no debating then, is there?
The facts are this: The facts support what has been said.
Well, show me. The FBI has stated quite clearly that they have no evidence that Osama had something to do with 911: http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
Rice said the administration would deliver hard evidence for both Afghanistan and Iraqs involvement. Where is it?
Blair has stated that the evidence against Bin Laden wouldn't stand in court. They still went to war with it, killing hundreds of thousands in the process.
The facts don't support "world government or whatever. Most of what your saying is ideological and has no facts anyway.
The evidence that certain interest groups want world government is overwhelming. It's basically all they talk about. Take The Council On Foreign Relations as an example. This group have around 4000 members worldwide. How many of those sits in Bush' administration? Over 500. How many sat in Clintons? Over 400. Nearly every Secretary of State since WW2 has been a CFR member.
These people don't only analyze foreign policy, they make it.
Have you heard about the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP)? The NAFTA highway? The Amero? Have you seen what the EU has become?
There is a shadow government within the government. I can list dozens of high ranking officials in those governments who'll say the same thing. Judges, Presidents, State attorneys, secretaries, mayors, intelligence officers etc. etc. And they want world government. Because it's profitable, effective, economic, stable and most importantly, inevitable.
As for the liberal media. I work in it. I know how it goes. I'm in a decision-making position, and it doesn't work they way you think it does. It just doesn't. That is fact. The fact is, the print media (not broadcast) is in terrible shape. We need a good story like this to help sell papers. But guess what? It's not there.
Of course there is a story there. There are tons of stories. Maybe not in the degree that you can make factual piece on an 'inside job', but there's more than enough incompetence, corruption, lying, illogical fallacies and more to write a good story about. Still very few don't. Did you cover the assassination of Aldo Moro, the Italian Prime Minister, in 78 where Kissinger was directly named in testimony under oath? No, the majority of US media didn't. They ran the story all over Europe, but not in America. How is that possible?
Your "opinion" on bin Laden is not what reality reflects. He gained nothing from 9/11 and lost a lot. No way he was part of any conspiracy. More likely, his people organized it, as the facts support, and carried it out. He is now hiding away in the mountains, running every day. That's not a great reward for being part of the biggest conspiracy ever laid upon the world.
Bin Laden could be in the Caymans sipping a drink for all we know. We shouldn't assume we know the specifics when we simply don't have them. Not to mention understanding them.
Like I said, this is where I get off this train. When every point can just be explained away by deeper and deeper and more layered conspiracies, it does no good to talk about it. You've got layers upon layers of conspiracies you believe that entangles the whole world. That's just not feasible.
It's not explaining away. History is nothing but a long list of conspiracies. They happen all the time.
#4757 Re: The Garden » Former Italian President: "911 was an inside job" » 917 weeks ago
So, let me get this straight. The CIA can pull off this massive cover-up but can't keep the international intelligence community from learning of it? Doesn't work.
Of course it works. Like bussaw said, for a major operation like this, many will know.
As for the "liberal" media. Do you have any idea what state the journalism industry is in now, and I'm not talking broadcast media, I'm talking print?
I know the media has become a propaganda tool for various monetary interests. There are no Woodward and Bernsteins today. As to have this censoring happens. Mass media is corporate. 5 companies own most of the newspapers, tv stations, cable networks, radio, moviestudios etc. These companies are run by board members. In a study conducted in the 70s it was concluded that each time a board member attends a meeting he sits down with 3,2 of his competitors. In other words, it's boys club. They know each other. They have nothing to gain by upsetting future business opportunities. That's why you never hear about the slave labor that goes in Nike and Coca Cola factories. That's why you don't hear about chemical waste in your river. Take a look at the news. It's all celebrities and gay marriage. No substance at all. If anything major is reported it is briefly. Of course, unless the perpetrator is a loner without commercial interests attached. Then you hear about it.
When you work in a system like this you get naturally conditioned to what to write or not. Self-censoring.
But it is starting to get reported. Over here in Europe more and more papers are starting to carefully entertain the idea.
And, bin Laden. You don't care what his reason for going along with it would be? It's key to the theory. Did the Taliban go along with it too, since Mullah Omar is hanging out with him? If so, why are the Taliban regaining strength in Afghanistan and making inroads into the established "western" government we supposedly set up?
Bin Laden was a type of warlord working with the CIA, religiously orientated. I know the FBI hasn't charged him with 911 because they admittedly don't have sufficient evidence. I know Bin Laden has denied the attacks.
In my opinion he's an estranged CIA agent allowed to run loose so that they had a plausible perpetrator to pin on the attacks. With all the convenient connections to geopolitical designs we have seen come into play since 01. I don't immediately care about his motivations when I know he's involved some way.
Did you know the Taliban was one of the 12 regimes that warned the US about 911?
Well, it wouldn't look to good if the Taliban had regained their strength immediately after their defeat now, would it? You have to understand how these things work. It's not a government working together in unison to perform a diabolical conspiracy. Most are honest hard working americans doing their duty. The guys in the shadows however, they know what happens to a 'western government' in a place like Afghanistan when the troops start to leave. They want this to happen. They want the Heroin to flow, they want a profit on their old and obsolete weapons. This is what makes them money.
And that is what has happened.
And which video of bin Laden is fake and who "discovered" it as fake? Maybe bin Laden himself faked it, if there is one.
It is the video found right after 911 where he admits the attacks. Do a youtube search. Look at the man in the video, then compare him to other Bin Laden videos and pictures. The man is also wearing a wedding ring. Jewelry is not tolerated among fundementalist islamists. He also uses his right hand to write. Bin Laden is left handed.
As far as this central asia pipeline. The countries that export oil in that area don't even crack the top 15 as far as producers of oil. Look it up. Sure did go through a lot of trouble to get a little oil.
It's not just about getting oil. It's control of oil. That means control over China. It's about selling weapons, shells, consultation, reconstruction, deconstruction. It's about 1 trillion dollars. All out of the tax payers pocket.
But most importantly, it's about control of people. National ID cards, the Patriot act, illegal wiretaps, fingerprinting at the airport, CCTV cameras one very corner. They even talk about trying to control the entire internet. Well, they'll make an effort at least.
Is this not alarming? Is this necessary?
Besides what is the goal? Western governments in the Mideast or oil? Or is it both? Or do conspiracists not care to be on the same page?
The goal is world government.
#4758 Re: The Garden » Former Italian President: "911 was an inside job" » 917 weeks ago
Polluxlm, I don't think we can refute the article because we don't know Italian!
Fair enough 
Yeah, there is no proof. What proof is there? One official's claim. The fact is, there are far more facts to support the version of 9/11 that most people believe. There are no "facts" to the contrary.
Well, I totally understand your position. To you they are unfamiliar mechanisms. If you really want to know I suggest you just read some stuff on the subject. But for the sake of discussion:
-Many physicists claim the official story breaks the laws of physics. The ones who support the official story has provided a various amounts of theories. There are no conclusion on the subject to this day other than that the government said "this is the conclusion".
-You see 'squids' popping out in the lower floors during the collapse. Similar to controlled demolition.
-A controlled demolition takes weeks and months to prepare. Somehow a plane manages to do the same on chance. Possible, sure, but not likely in the slightest. 2 times on one day? I say near impossible.
-Planes that don't look like what they should look like.
-The hole in the Pentagon. Shouldn't be possible according to physicists. The plane would either have disintegrated on the outside (it was a reinforced wall) or made a similar hole to those in the WTC (where you can see the impact of the wings).
-The wreckage of United 93 spread over 8 miles. That is proof of in-flight explosion.
-WTC7. Not hit by a plane. Collapsed in a symmetric fashion. Only logic explanation is controlled demolition.
Some of these I've mentioned before. Are they proof of Bush or whoever being behind 911? No, neither do I claim so. But they are proof that the official story is bullshit. Where you take it from there is up to yourself.
#4759 Re: The Garden » Former Italian President: "911 was an inside job" » 917 weeks ago
The burden of proof isn't on us. It's on those making outrageous claims of what happened without any proof. Some guy said this, some guy said that, blah, blah, blah. Proof. Provide it or just say this is what I believe regardless of all the logic that says it's not true.
Calm down buddy. I'm not the one making these claims. You want the whole story read a couple of books. I can entertain you on some points that I have knowledge of, but I don't care too much about these attitudes.
#4760 Re: The Garden » Former Italian President: "911 was an inside job" » 917 weeks ago
You all seem to be forgetting that a former President of an influential European country with intimate knowledge of such matters has come out in one of the most reputable newspapers in the country. And he's not the only one. That is the basis of this thread. Is that not witness? Is that not newsworthy? Any commercial newspaper should have jumped at these stories. But the vast majority don't. Why?
As for your gripes with what is possible and what is not. I don't know the exact outline, very few do, but I do know that too much doesn't add up. You can call it what you like, but that is a fact. I have yet to see anyone challenge my points earlier in this thread, or the statements of the article.
